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So - How powerful is Snoke, exactly?
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It isn't as widespread but it's definitely more impressive in an all out war. Their tech is far superior so who cares how many more ships and fleets they have when they are vastly inferior to the First Order. Starkiller base, Death Star tech, light speed tracking, Supremacy, etc.

First Order would decimate the empire. They intimidate while Sidious does his feminine duplicitous thing in the shadows like a true shady galactic politician. Snoke would bring his empire to its knees with what we see from the First Order.

What kind of an impact did the atomic bomb have ? Weapons of mass destruction and superior tech matters significantly.


FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.

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FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.


Given the way they are treating the Canon GE, that's a surprise actually...but then the FO hasn't had much either. It seems that the FO has superior tech in some areas, it doesn't seem to have it in others. Namely their troopers with their helmets unable to filter out toxins and other things of that nature, although these are more minor details really.


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It's probably like comparing the Taliban to the Nazis: they have better tech in some areas (e.g. electronics, firearms) but lack the sheer industry (which translates to some tech gaps too).


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FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.
In size not in raw power. Starkiller base alone would rip through Sidious' Death Stars in a single barrage.

They have fleet killers at the First Order's disposal. Palpatine ruled through duplicity whereas Snoke ruled through power and brute force. I have always said which kind of character I prefer here. I am consistent.


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In size not in raw power. Starkiller base alone would rip through Sidious' Death Stars in a single barrage.

They have fleet killers at the First Order's disposal. Palpatine ruled through duplicity whereas Snoke ruled through power and brute force. I have always said which kind of character I prefer here. I am consistent.


Nah, the book says the FO's navy is too small to rival the Empire's despite its firepower. Meaning that while the FO has greater firepower pound for pound, it's just too small to be on par with the Empire.

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The space battles were just lolworthy anyway, with the brilliant idea of dropping bombs right above targets like WW1 and a plot-breaking light speed ramming that nobody's ever thought of before.


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By and large, space battles have never been Star Wars' forte beyond the visual spectacle. But I can see why people were a bit disturbed.

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Nah, the book says the FO's navy is too small to rival the Empire's despite its firepower. Meaning that while the FO has greater firepower pound for pound, it's just too small to be on par with the Empire.
In size not in terms of power. You don't need invasion squads when you can take out five planets per Starkiller's barrages. Would you be interested in battlezoning the First Order vs. your empire post episode 9's DVD release. I know it's a while away but if you're confident then why not.


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Though too small to rival the navy of the Galactic Empire at its height, the First Order Fleet is nonetheless a formidable concentration of spaceborne destructive power.


The First Order has greater tech and pound-for-pound greater firepower. But its fleet is too small to rival the Empire's.

It's not just smaller. It's too small to rival the Empire.

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Tempest is correct, here.


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The First Order has greater tech and pound-for-pound greater firepower. But its fleet is too small to rival the Empire's.

It's not just smaller. It's too small to rival the Empire.
In size as I said not in terms of power as I said. I also said with a weapon that can obliterate multiple planets per usage I'll debate for the First Order. If you're so funnily convinced then agree to the challenge. Shouldn't this be a walk in the park, Gideon ? Comprise another Palpatinesque type essay focusing on the strengths of the empire with what we see on screen.

You'll already have a trilogy, Rogue One, and possibly Han Solo as additional examples of the empire's might. This won't be for years so just say yes and we can work out the specifics when the time comes.


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Tempest is correct, here.


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The text is pretty straightforward.

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Battlezone challenge ? Just say yes.


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quanchi you're not interpreting the language properly, "too small to rival" with no "in size qualifier implies "size disadvantage not compensated for by later mentioned tech advantage", not "smaller in size".


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quanchi you're not interpreting the language properly, "too small to rival" with no "in size qualifier implies "size disadvantage not compensated for by later mentioned tech advantage", not "smaller in size".


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Going back to the thread at hand, the only people I see as being above Snoke definitively (as of right now) are Luke, Sidious, Yoda, and Anakin. Some would say Vader is more powerful than Anakin (though I'd contest the notion,) so maybe you could include peak!Vader as well (though I'm not sure, personally). Windu I'm also not really sure about.

I'm also not really seeing how Snoke's admiration for Vader implies that Snoke is inferior. Hell, Snoke wanted Kylo to become the next Vader, but ultimately still have Kylo under his thumb.


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quanchi you're not interpreting the language properly, "too small to rival" with no "in size qualifier implies "size disadvantage not compensated for by later mentioned tech advantage", not "smaller in size".
If I am then why won't he accept the challenge since this will be so easy ?

I say the power of the First Order argued by me defeats the empire argued by Tempest. If it's a walk in the park let's see this out and give kmc a battlezone that will actually be debated.


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Lmao the First Order has like thirty star destroyers in total, the Republic had like several thousand above Coruscant in the opening RotS scene alone, let alone the larger imperial star fleet.


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