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Can Sidious one-shot Revan?
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Freedon Nadd
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Don't play that logic with me. You blatantly 'admitted' that Sidious' drain of Byss didn't make him stronger in the Force, that he only used it to revitalize his body and that it served as place for conducting his vile dark side experiments.

Took you some time to answer, by the way.

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You said I "finally" admitted it as if I had been saying something else the entire time... which I haven't?

What, 17 minutes too long to wait for computer campers? I have things to do as well.

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Freedon Nadd
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I am 100% sure that you were once of the belief that the Byss drain enhanced Palpatine's dark side power.


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No, but they don't disprove it either. And more crucially, they all cite Byss being a dark side nexus AFTER Palpatine arrived. Every one of them mentions Byss already being one of Palpatine's retreat worlds, except the Luke one which is from DE — almost three decades after Palpatine's arrival.

So no, you've only shown that it was a some sort of nexus some twenty-five to thirty thousand years prior to Palpatine. No source makes any explicit mention of its properties as a nexus until Palpatine comes and corrupts it; the dark side nexus is entirely attributed to Palpatine in the source I quoted and the ones you cite all talk about Byss after Palpatine has set up there. So you've not shown me anything.



That's not how it works, lol. Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos. He doesn't drain nexuses. Every source only ever mentions him draining the life force of the individuals. If he's not present on the planet, then the nexus is irrelevant. The nexus was created by his dark side experiments that he fueled through the draining of individuals anyway.

That scan's irrelevant because Palpatine is actually on Byss at that moment. Has nothing to do with him draining the planet's population off Byss.



Where does it say he was dying? He said he used it to prolong his life/delay the aging process, and other sources reveal that he also fueled his dark side experiments with them. This also has nothing to do with my point.

Palpatine's draining was underway by the time Vader arrived, meaning his experiments that would corrupt the planet were also underway. The planet was already being corrupted.



Vampiric means feeding on blood, or in this case feeding on life force. Presumably Sidious is affected by hunger to some extent (it's difficult to argue otherwise since he actually does spend the whole time feeding) but really there's no comparison to Nihilus' identity subsumption.



He cites the use of stats for the purposes of story groups and authors' referrals. He doesn't actually call them canon. Valid? Possibly. But as I said before, if you're going to use this argument then you'll be making a variety of concessions on Nihilus' planet-draining feats.



What are you talking about? It's easy in that they're willing, but that willingness was created and perpetuated by Palpatine in the first place. Surely he deserves plaudits for that, especially given as neither feat required conscious effort on his part.

And the drain is used to delay his aging and fuel his dark side experiments, not empower himself in the Force.



I view it as a good showing of willpower, but relevant to a fight? Not quite. But it's worth mentioning because greater imbalances are achieved more easily later on, and they're worth mentioning in the context of power.
I'll get to this tomorrow. Busy with other debates and trying to finish NG+3 in Dark Souls 3, lol.

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Take your time.

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I am 100% sure that you were once of the belief that the Byss drain enhanced Palpatine's dark side power.


Don't think so. Not recently, anyway.

Perhaps you meant Azronger?

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Freedon Nadd
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Maybe. Az tends to go to those lengths when it comes about his favorite character.


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I'll get to this tomorrow. Busy with other debates and trying to finish NG+3 in Dark Souls 3, lol.
lmao, "tomorrow" **** you.

Oh wait.

Will get to this within the next couple days.

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I don't believe so, but he can definitely dominate him.


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Apologies for the time it's taking me to get back to this. I should be ready soon-ish.

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Yes Palps can.


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Yes Palps can.

I see.

So there are a lot of votes for Palps one-shotting Revan and some saying that he'd need maybe two, three shots to down Revan.


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Freedon Nadd
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Revan can definitely take this if we disclaim the dual Force Mastery of Revan.


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Can you elaborate?


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No, but they don't disprove it either. And more crucially, they all cite Byss being a dark side nexus AFTER Palpatine arrived. Every one of them mentions Byss already being one of Palpatine's retreat worlds, except the Luke one which is from DE — almost three decades after Palpatine's arrival. So no, you've only shown that it was a some sort of nexus some twenty-five to thirty thousand years prior to Palpatine. No source makes any explicit mention of its properties as a nexus until Palpatine comes and corrupts it; the dark side nexus is entirely attributed to Palpatine in the source I quoted and the ones you cite all talk about Byss after Palpatine has set up there. So you've not shown me anything.


It's confirmed to be a nexus before Sidious' arrival though, as of the Rakata gaining interest int, because they were visiting Force strong worlds. I concede that it's true the strength of the nexus could have waned or bolstered over the centuries, but regardless, it was still a nexus.

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That's not how it works, lol. Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos. He doesn't drain nexuses. Every source only ever mentions him draining the life force of the individuals. If he's not present on the planet, then the nexus is irrelevant. The nexus was created by his dark side experiments that he fueled through the draining of individuals anyway. That scan's irrelevant because Palpatine is actually on Byss at that moment. Has nothing to do with him draining the planet's population off Byss.


I agree on the "Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos" bit, I'll give ya that one. The scan is relevant, however, because (iirc) it took place before any of his rituals, and Sidious and Vader both were still being amped.

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Where does it say he was dying? He said he used it to prolong his life/delay the aging process, and other sources reveal that he also fueled his dark side experiments with them. This also has nothing to do with my point. Palpatine's draining was underway by the time Vader arrived, meaning his experiments that would corrupt the planet were also underway. The planet was already being corrupted.


I assumed it to mean he was draining Byss to slow his aging and degradation to buy himself enough time to either get his clone bodies or find a way to live forever, as he intended. Draining Byss was a means to stave off death.

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Vampiric means feeding on blood, or in this case feeding on life force. Presumably Sidious is affected by hunger to some extent (it's difficult to argue otherwise since he actually does spend the whole time feeding) but really there's no comparison to Nihilus' identity subsumption.


I agree that his hunger isn't really *exactly* the same as Nihilus', just that hunger WAS consuming Sidious.

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What are you talking about? It's easy in that they're willing, but that willingness was created and perpetuated by Palpatine in the first place. Surely he deserves plaudits for that, especially given as neither feat required conscious effort on his part.


I'm not saying the feat is unimpressive, just that it's not AS impressive as most here seem to think. He conquered the minds of the populace, and then began draining them. Now, I don't think any REASONABLE person would assume that Sidious could do this near continually for decades, so he must have been using SOME of the energy he got from the drain, to fuel his mind control of them.

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I view it as a good showing of willpower, but relevant to a fight? Not quite. But it's worth mentioning because greater imbalances are achieved more easily later on, and they're worth mentioning in the context of power.


Such as? I feel like you're gonna get into Sid's and Plagueis' meditation ritual, which I've been over NUMEROUS times now.
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Yes, he can. Absolutely.


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Can you elaborate?


That our good Revan who faced Nyriss wasn't amped by Dromund Kaas' nexus.


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Yes, he can. Absolutely.

Good point.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Yes, he can. Absolutely.
If he charges his attack like Vitiate did, I agree.

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Palps' full power didn't even disintegrate Windu. Meanwhile Revan deflected a lightning blast that turned Nyriss into ash.


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