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Geistalt
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Rank Force-Sensitives by Dueling Prowess (Legends)

Top Tier:
Luke Skywalker
Jaina Solo Fel
Mace Windu
Darth Sidious
Yoda
Knightfall Vader

Very High Tier:
Darth Krayt
Darth Plagueis
Revan
Darth Vader
The Dark Apprentice
Starkiller
Galen Marek
Darth Tyranus
Darth Malgus
Darth Wyyrlok III
Cade Skywalker
Exar Kun
Ulic Qel-Droma
Darth Nyriss
Obi-Wan Kenobi

High Tier:
Darth Maul
Arcann
Shaak Ti
Lord Scourge
Satele Shan
Darth Marr
Darth Malak
Kyp Durron
Kyle Katarn
Viun Gaalan
Jerec
Desann
Vodo-Siosk Baas
Meetra Surik
Darth Traya
Darth Cognus
Darth Zannah
Darth Bane
Savage Opress

Mid Tier:
Kit Fisto
Tol Braga
Darth Baras
Lord Draahg
Senya
Vaylin
Lana Beniko


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No ordering within tiers:

Luke

Knightfall Vader
Reborn Palpatine

Yoda
RotS Sidious
Anakin

Mace Windu
Caedus
Plagueis
Krayt
Dooku
Jaina

Obi Wan
Kyle Katarn
Kyp Durron
Revan

Grievous
Kit Fisto

Malgus


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Geistalt
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Wait; why did I put Desann there?

Also, I concede that unchained Vaylin is stronger with the Force than Vader.


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Re: Rank Force-Sensitives by Dueling Prowess (Legends)

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Originally posted by Geistalt
Top Tier:
Luke Skywalker
Jaina Solo Fel
Mace Windu
Darth Sidious
Yoda
Knightfall Vader


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For the last time:

As of 41.5 ABY, Jaina Solo is a mediocre combatant at best. She is inferior to the entire Jedi Council and many Jedi Knights. She is completely outclassed by Darth Caedus. There is no basis to the idea Jaina went from a sub-Kit Fisto combatant to above Yoda in the span of 2.5 years when not one of the nine Fate of the Jedi books even mention growth.

And no, this line: "All Luke's team had to do was take out that shield generator. On most days, that would have been an easy job for two Jedi Masters and Jaina Solo, who, as the Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order." is not going to change that.

Let's consider the context, for one. The trio (i.e Luke, Jaina, and Corran Horn) have to destroy a shield generator. The reasoning why the text even expands upon Jaina's status is to convey that, while she is just a Jedi Knight, she's just as capable as a Jedi Master for this mission.

Second, consider the terminology of the quote: "[Jaina is] the combat equal of anyone in the Order." The quote would clearly have a different connotation if it instead read, "[Jaina is] the combat equal of Luke Skywalker." There is an inherent distinction between the two quotes. The way Jaina's quote reads is generic, similar to quotes that Asajj Ventress has stating that she is a threat to "any Jedi," which we would all agree is different than, "Asajj Ventress is a threat to Yoda." Simply put, the intent is simply meant to convey Jaina is capable, not to slide in a suggestion that Jaina is just as skilled with a lightsaber as Luke himself.

Most importantly, the quote justifies it's stance by stating she has "proven [this] time and time again." Spoiler: Jaina hasn't... as in, Jaina has never showed anything suggesting parity with Luke with a lightsaber, nor has she done it consistency. Clearly, then, we can recognize what I mentioned before, and that it's just meaning Jaina has showed time and time again she's just as capable as a Jedi Master (which, again is the premise of the quote), in which that is true (albeit debatably - and again not even in favor of Jaina).

It's also worth mentioning Fate of the Jedi rotates between character perspectives like most Star Wars novels do. The narrator hovers above the character's head and generally adopts the knowledge and biases of the characters. It's not at all out of the question that the narrator is reflecting the viewpoint of Jaina, similarly to how the narrator likely adopts the viewpoint of Darth Bane in regards to his musings that Kas'im might be the greatest swordsman ever.


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Why the flying FVCK is Windu > Sidious as a duelist.


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Sheev after painfully transfererring into a clone body using a random lightsaber made DE Luke his ***** in a duel.


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Who would've guessed, Ant is right once again.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by samappo
Sheev after painfully transfererring into a clone body using a random lightsaber made DE Luke his ***** in a duel.


On Byss, one of the greatest DS nexuses ever. On neutral ground Luke bested him.


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Re: Rank Force-Sensitives by Dueling Prowess (Legends)

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Originally posted by Geistalt
Top Tier:
Luke Skywalker
Jaina Solo Fel
Mace Windu
Darth Sidious
Yoda
Knightfall Vader

Very High Tier:
Darth Krayt
Darth Plagueis
Revan
Darth Vader
The Dark Apprentice
Starkiller
Galen Marek
Darth Tyranus
Darth Malgus
Darth Wyyrlok III
Cade Skywalker
Exar Kun
Ulic Qel-Droma
Darth Nyriss
Obi-Wan Kenobi

High Tier:
Darth Maul
Arcann
Shaak Ti
Lord Scourge
Satele Shan
Darth Marr
Darth Malak
Kyp Durron
Kyle Katarn
Viun Gaalan
Jerec
Desann
Vodo-Siosk Baas
Meetra Surik
Darth Traya
Darth Cognus
Darth Zannah
Darth Bane
Savage Opress

Mid Tier:
Kit Fisto
Tol Braga
Darth Baras
Lord Draahg
Senya
Vaylin
Lana Beniko


This list is so bad I don't know where to begin.

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Top tier:

Darth Sidious
Knightfall!Vader
Yoda
Luke Skywalker

Very high tier:
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Exar Kun
Count Dooku
Ulic Qel-Droma
Reborn Krayt
Darth Vader
Outlander
Darth Caedus
Mace Windu

High tier:
Maul
Emperor's Wrath
Meetra Surik
Darth Malgus
Arcann
Savage Opress
Jaina Solo Fel
Revan
Malak

Something like that.


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Top Tier:
- Exar Kun
- Knightfall Vader
- Luke Skywalker
- Darth Sidious
- Yoda
- Revan

Very High Tier:
- Count Dooku / Ulic Qel-Droma
- Reborn Krayt
- Outlander
- Mace Windu
- Darth Malak

High Tier:
- Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi (These guys are probably in between Very High and High Tier)
- Emperor's Wrath
- Arcann
- Darth Malgus
- Darth Vader
- Meetra Surik
- Savage Opress

Mid Tier:
- Asajj Ventress / Sora Bulq
- The B-Team
- Shaak Ti
- The Rest of PT Jedi Council

Low Tier:
- Darth Caedus
- Galen Marek

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Exar Kun no 1 😂😂😂


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On second thought, Dooku belongs in the top tier.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by The Merchant
On Byss, one of the greatest DS nexuses ever. On neutral ground Luke bested him.


Would you please stop saying that? I'll debunk that shit soon.


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Ursumeles
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Re: Rank Force-Sensitives by Dueling Prowess (Legends)

quote: (post)
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Top Tier:
Jaina Solo Fel
quote: (post)
Originally posted by Geistalt
I formulate my opinions based on the general consensus.


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Isn't that nexus an extension of Sheev, powered by him?


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Ursumeles
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Anyway, Tiers aren't ordered:

Top Tier:
- Luke
- Anakin
- Yoda
- Sidious
- Mace
- Plagueis (?)

Very high tier:
- Caedus
- Dooku
- Krayt
- Kun
- Vader
- Revan
- Ulic
- Maul
- Kenobi
- Malgus
- Arcann
- Wrath (?)
- HoT
- Cade
- Lumiya

High tier:
- Savage
- Aryn
- B-Team
- Ventress
- Kyle
- Jaina
- Mara
Etc.

Edit: Very High Tier seems a bit big . Oh well.


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Re: Re: Rank Force-Sensitives by Dueling Prowess (Legends)

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For the last time:

As of 41.5 ABY, Jaina Solo is a mediocre combatant at best. She is inferior to the entire Jedi Council and many Jedi Knights. She is completely outclassed by Darth Caedus. There is no basis to the idea Jaina went from a sub-Kit Fisto combatant to above Yoda in the span of 2.5 years when not one of the nine Fate of the Jedi books even mention growth.

And no, this line: "All Luke's team had to do was take out that shield generator. On most days, that would have been an easy job for two Jedi Masters and Jaina Solo, who, as the Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order." is not going to change that.

Let's consider the context, for one. The trio (i.e Luke, Jaina, and Corran Horn) have to destroy a shield generator. The reasoning why the text even expands upon Jaina's status is to convey that, while she is just a Jedi Knight, she's just as capable as a Jedi Master for this mission.

Second, consider the terminology of the quote: "[Jaina is] the combat equal of anyone in the Order." The quote would clearly have a different connotation if it instead read, "[Jaina is] the combat equal of Luke Skywalker." There is an inherent distinction between the two quotes. The way Jaina's quote reads is generic, similar to quotes that Asajj Ventress has stating that she is a threat to "any Jedi," which we would all agree is different than, "Asajj Ventress is a threat to Yoda." Simply put, the intent is simply meant to convey Jaina is capable, not to slide in a suggestion that Jaina is just as skilled with a lightsaber as Luke himself.

Most importantly, the quote justifies it's stance by stating she has "proven [this] time and time again." Spoiler: Jaina hasn't... as in, Jaina has never showed anything suggesting parity with Luke with a lightsaber, nor has she done it consistency. Clearly, then, we can recognize what I mentioned before, and that it's just meaning Jaina has showed time and time again she's just as capable as a Jedi Master (which, again is the premise of the quote), in which that is true (albeit debatably - and again not even in favor of Jaina).

It's also worth mentioning Fate of the Jedi rotates between character perspectives like most Star Wars novels do. The narrator hovers above the character's head and generally adopts the knowledge and biases of the characters. It's not at all out of the question that the narrator is reflecting the viewpoint of Jaina, similarly to how the narrator likely adopts the viewpoint of Darth Bane in regards to his musings that Kas'im might be the greatest swordsman ever.


I wanna see the Forcecast try and counter this.


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