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Do you think all demographics are innately equal?
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Beniboybling
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Originally posted by Nephthys
So basically you admit you came in here looking for a fight and now you're whining that people aren't falling for your "cunning" trap.
seems it, yeah.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
> thinks anyone who thinks there are differences is a bigot and a race realist, dadudemon included

> thinks there are differences...but that you can think that without being a bigot.

> doesn't notice contradiction at all

I can't believe I used to have you on Ant's tier as a debater, KEK.
haturs gonna hate. sad


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seems it, yeah.

haturs gonna hate. sad


So you concede the double standard then? You, Beni, can believe differences exist without being a bigot, but nobody else can, not even someone who's been more vocally against racist practices (e.g. Trump's policies) on this board and is an actual minority than you. thumb up


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So basically you admit you came in here looking for a fight and now you're whining that people aren't falling for your "cunning" trap.
Ellimist isn't that smart when you break it down and he's a coward. He's upset people aren't upset by his baiting. Don't worry he will accept all kinds of debates and then flee for months again. He isn't to be taken seriously tbh.


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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Just so you know quanchi is pretty far to the right and hates liberals like Neph, he's mad that I won't accept his Sidious vs. Snoke debate given that he's acknowledged to be the worst or second worst debater on KMC.


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So you concede the double standard then? You, Beni, can believe differences exist without being a bigot, but nobody else can, not even someone who's been more vocally against racist practices (e.g. Trump's policies) on this board and is an actual minority than you. thumb up
i concede nothing, coward.


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
No.

You realize that your position would get you destroyed if you were a politician just because you claimed differences exist, right?

And you also ignored my point about false positives.


You did, bro.

I don't think so, no. Dmb brought up Affirmative Action, a policy that exists as an admittance that differences do exist and argues that its due to historical, economic, social and cultural factors that should be rectified.

Like I said, I'm under no obligation to act in good faith when you started the argument in bad faith to begin with.

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Ellimist isn't that smart when you break it down and he's a coward. He's upset people aren't upset by his baiting. Don't worry he will accept all kinds of debates and then flee for months again. He isn't to be taken seriously tbh.


Damn, owned.


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i concede nothing, coward.


"I concede nothing" isn't a substantive response. You refuse to say anything meaningful and call me a coward? laughing


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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Just so you know quanchi is pretty far to the right and hates liberals like Neph, he's mad that I won't accept his Sidious vs. Snoke debate given that he's acknowledged to be the worst or second worst debater on KMC.
Actually that's incorrect I'm an independent but you're too arrogant to actually pay attention and typically make up your mind in Trumpian fashion. You spend five minutes reading a few posts and foolishly believe you're all knowing with a subject. I also don't want that debate now that Azronger refused until the trilogy is over. You'd accept and then puss out. You've done this before. Opinions don't matter only the facts do. You'll never grasp this you high school girl. Only opinions matter to you. You should strive to be better and actually see something through for a change.


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I don't think so, no.


Sorry, but you're delusional then. In case if you didn't know, the much maligned The Bell Curve said the exact same thing you did and made no endorsement of racist policies and it's still widely despised. People are not as nuanced on this position as you think they are.

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Like I said, I'm under no obligation to act in good faith when you started the argument in bad faith to begin with.


Well it's a self fulfilling prophecy because the only reason anyone thinks this question could possibly be in bad faith is because people like yourself have cast anyone who questions certain premises as bigots even when you admit you hold the exact same beliefs that I allegedly do.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: And I notice that you still have ignored my false positive argument because you know you can't refute it. smile


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i'm with quanchi on this one. sad


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No, people think the question is made in bad faith because those who ask it are either race realist bigots masking their racism in intellectualism or douchebags trying to gotcha liberals. Just like you actually are doing right now.

I already explained this man, keep up.


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i'm with quanchi on this one. sad


All flaming aside, why don't you think it's important to have this information if we're trying to measure discrimination by looking at outcomes? You'd have to know to determine whether unequal outcomes are the result of discrimination or something else.


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No, people think the question is made in bad faith because those who ask it are either race realist bigots masking their racism in intellectualism or douchebags trying to gotcha liberals. Just like you actually are doing.

I already explained this man, keep up.


I love how you ignore the false positive argument again.


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Yeah, I didn't even read it, lol.


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Yeah, I didn't even read it, lol.


How is it a bad faith argument to point out that unequal outcomes don't prove discrimination when you just admitted that there are other variables at play?

Do you think a fundamental statistical concept (adjusting for confounding variables) is "bad faith debating"? Or do you not have a response and are just appealing to mockery to avoid admitting it?


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I think that everybody is born with an equal potential for prosperity, but environmental/cultural circumstances and/or personal ambition are responsible for whether that potential gets harvested or wasted.


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I think that everybody is born with an equal potential for prosperity, but environmental/cultural circumstances and/or personal ambition are responsible for whether that potential gets harvested or wasted.


Do you mean everybody as in each group, or everybody as in each individual? Presumably the former as the latter is clearly wrong (there is genetic variation for cognitive traits).


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Trust Beni to press pause on his history of making fun of Neph to join him in arms and turn this thread into a display of hysterical moral cancer and virtue signalling.


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Trust Beni to press pause on his history of making fun of Neph to join him in arms and turn this thread into a display of hysterical moral cancer and virtue signalling.


The amusing thing is they are going all Admiral Ackbar with "it's a trap!" and they act like it is obvious and yet they still got hysterical anyways.


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