REMINDER: All characters are strictly in their Legends incarnation and are at peak combative (not potential) capabilities under normal conditions (no external amplifies or other temporary boosts are to be considered). All characters are at peak mental mindset while maintaining an accurate portrayal of their mindset and beliefs (morals on). Lightsaber skill and related abilities (such as physical strength, speed, etc.) is to be considered if relevant.
ADDITIONAL NOTICE #1: "Morals on" means that characters are fighting as they would be portrayed within the Star Wars universe given the conditions listed above. The intent is to not weaken the characters of any power, but rather for light-side characters to stay light-side characters. Thus, Luke Skywalker is not going to embrace the dark-side and use Force lightning or Force drain. Instead, Luke will bring all his powers to bear given the constraints of his ideology.
ADDITIONAL NOTICE #2: UnuThul will be considered with the amplified abilities he receives from the Killiks. Yoda is as demonstrated in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader (pre-suit) is including all events from Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, including events on the Invisible Hand or Operation: Knightfall - if the member is of the opinion that the conditions during such fit the standards outlined above.
BANNED CHARACTERS: Ones of Mortis, Abeloth, Bedlam Spirits, Force Demons, Terror from Beyond, Waru, Mother Talzin, Gethzerion, Onimi, Irek Ismaren, Sarasu Taalon, World Razer, Sekot, Yuuzhan'tar, and other exotic entities.
Last edited by DarthAnt66 on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 08:08 PM
1. "Morals on" is not an issue because Luke will go all-out against any of the combatants here, he ain't fighting Soresu Taalon.
2a. Luke is confirmed by multiple sources to have the potential to far outstrip Palpatine, and even if his potential is lower than Anakin's, he's in his 60s by FotJ while Knightfall Vader is still only in his early 20's.
2b. The RotJ novelization has a scene where Luke senses that Palpatine is scared of Luke's power.
2c. Lucas thinks Luke can become what his father could've, which either means = potential or > Palpatine.
2 conclusion. Realistically when Palpatine (and others) and Lucas both think Luke can seriously surpass Palpatine, this doesn't mean "well he could but even by his 60s after years of training and experience and by which he is implied to have reached some sort of stable power level and retires shortly afterwards he still hasn't reached it".
3a. Luke defeats Palpatine in DE. It's implied that Leia helps him by "unlocking hidden resources", e.g. unlocking some of his potential and/or helping his mental state. Is a barely trained Leia > three+ decades of training?
3b. Probably not, given that Luke grows in power extremely quickly (ESB -> RotJ) and has an absurdly high ceiling.
The point of including two incarnations of Darth Vader is because pre-suit Vader will rank, as you noted, highly (with one member thus far even voting for him as #1), whereas post-suit Vader is a classic forum rival to characters like Revan
Yoda wasn't included because it's guaranteed no one would put him above peak Palpatine. However, that's not necessarily (and, again, demonstrably) a given with Valkorion and pre-suit Vader.
Obviously Luke, but it does't change my opinion that he's a jobber. Meaning that I don't scale his opponents based on their performances against him. Unless, they prove to be his better and defeat him : such as abeloth.