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1/6/2018 - #3B (Ranking THREE, Round TWO) - Most Powerful Tournament - VOTE!
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Yup. Anakin has been wrecked by Dooku's lightning on a number of occasions but Valkorion's won't do anything thumb up


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Yup. Anakin has been wrecked by Dooku's lightning on a number of occasions but Valkorion's won't do anything thumb up


That's a lazy af response and you know it. KF Vader and TCW Anakin obviously aren't comparable, lmfao.


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If Anakin wins, we should still have a Yoda vs Valk poll because I feel most Anakin supporters also think Yoda > Valk but couldn't do anything about it because they had to decide between two characters and could only vote for one of them.


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Sure, but he's done nothing to suggest he could walk through lightning even as of Operation Knightfall.


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Sure, but he's done nothing to suggest he could walk through lightning even as of Operation Knightfall.


Except that Sidious thought he might be more powerful than him.


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Sidious' thoughts are irrelevant. A mere musing doesn't confirm anything.

Anyway, I don't see Palpatine walking through Dooku's lightning either.


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Oh I see, you took that literally lol.


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I can never tell with you Ellim...


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I can never tell with you Ellim...


?? I didn't make the claim.

Anyway the powerscaling with KF Vader > Valkorion is pretty clear.


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Valkorion has:

- Threatened to knock out every Force user Satele Shan tier and below with the tidal wave disturbance in the Force caused by his death.
- Destroyed the surface of Ziost in an incorporeal form without aid or a ritual.
- Performed the following feats simultaneously prior to the aforementioned feat which massively increased his power:
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1.Suppressed the Force powers of Vaylin.
2.Mentally controlled the Dread Masters.
3.Was gradually weakening Revan until he could mentally dominate him again.
4.Mentally dominated Tol Braga, Leeha Narizz, the Hero of Tython and Warren Sedoru.
5.Mentally controlled and empowered his thousands of Children with strength greater than 'any Sith could achieve'.
6.Stalemated the Force entity Sel-Makor in the Dark Heart.
7.Survived the death of his Voice on Voss.
8.Constantly influenced the will of the entire Imperial Guard.
9.Empowered the First Son Syo Bakarn with so much strength that he could shroud every child of the Emperor in the galaxy from the Force senses of the Jedi Order.
10.Enacted the Dark Ritual to consume all life, energy and Force energy in the entire galaxy, ruining the surfaces of all planets and reducing all suns to black husks. An infinitely inferior version of thid
11.Was still capable of maintaining feats 1-9, after being severely weakened by the tenth feat.

- As Vitiate, prior to a massive increase by absorbing the combined life and Force energy of Ziost and its inhabitants, made the combined power of the Dread Masters insignificant by comparison. Yet the Dread Masters had harnessed such power that they could drive more than a trillion people insane, whilst terraforming planets with extreme dark side corruption that was immeasurably more powerful than Dromund Kaas, Ziost or Korriban.
- Near effortlessly stomped the Outlander, Arcann and the spirit of Vaylin with aid by an Uber Holocron summoned Revan, Satele Shan and Darth Marr after a suicide attack by Lord Dramath's spirit had wounded his own spirit. The only reason he lost was because of the environment which was the Outlander's own mind.
- Gets direct scaling off of eldritch Force monstrosities such as Soa, Sel-Makor and Darth Nihilus prior to becoming vastly more powerful due to the Ziost Cataclysm.
- Evidently defeated the pantheon of Zakuul on Iokath. Six massive cyborg entities responsible for killing trillions on the Outer Rim and destroying planets.
- Has repeatedly one-shot Dark Councils, three hundred years prior to SWTOR.
- Absorbed the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see which had the power to reduce the surface of a planet to ruins, and render said planet a lifeless void in the Force immeasurably worse than the surface of Malachor V.
- Prior to the aforementioned event, he was stated to have supreme power in the Force at a time when Marka Ragnos was still alive.
- He has three lines of scaling which puts the likes of Muur and thus Vader/Krayt far beyond fodder range

Valkorion without a doubt is second only to KF!Vader who should be in first place.


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?? I didn't make the claim.

Anyway the powerscaling with KF Vader > Valkorion is pretty clear.


So you don't think Anakin could walk through Valkorion's room filling lightning?


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None of AP's arguments provide a clear powerscaling between Plagueis and Valkorion. What does: Palgueis's accolades and their comparative cosmic threat to the Force, both of which point to Plagueis.

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- Threatened to knock out every Force user Satele Shan tier and below with the tidal wave disturbance in the Force caused by his death.


Nonsense, you're just extrapolating from Satele getting knocked out that getting knocked out is negatively correlated with Force power (in which case we could argue that Bail Organa >>> Yoda during Order 66).

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- Destroyed the surface of Ziost in an incorporeal form without aid or a ritual.


Kek he had aid (enslaved minds + nexus) and it's basically stated to be a ritual (as I'm sure you know, where it's like "unlike other rituals Ziost was seen firsthand" (paraphrased).

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- Performed the following feats simultaneously prior to the aforementioned feat which massively increased his power:


Nowhere is it stated his power "massively" increased.

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- As Vitiate, prior to a massive increase by absorbing the combined life and Force energy of Ziost and its inhabitants, made the combined power of the Dread Masters insignificant by comparison. Yet the Dread Masters had harnessed such power that they could drive more than a trillion people insane, whilst terraforming planets with extreme dark side corruption that was immeasurably more powerful than Dromund Kaas, Ziost or Korriban.


* over the course of centuries

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- Near effortlessly stomped the Outlander, Arcann and the spirit of Vaylin with aid by an Uber Holocron summoned Revan, Satele Shan and Darth Marr after a suicide attack by Lord Dramath's spirit had wounded his own spirit. The only reason he lost was because of the environment which was the Outlander's own mind.


Dramath can damage Valkorion with a suicide attack but Galen Marek can't damage Palpatine with one?

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- Gets direct scaling off of eldritch Force monstrosities such as Soa, Sel-Makor and Darth Nihilus prior to becoming vastly more powerful due to the Ziost Cataclysm.


Where is it confirmed by an OOU source that Valkorion > Nihilus?

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- Evidently defeated the pantheon of Zakuul on Iokath. Six massive cyborg entities responsible for killing trillions on the Outer Rim and destroying planets.


Vague and unquantifiable.

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- Has repeatedly one-shot Dark Councils, three hundred years prior to SWTOR.


Under nebulous circumstances with prep on his turf.

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- Absorbed the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see which had the power to reduce the surface of a planet to ruins, and render said planet a lifeless void in the Force immeasurably worse than the surface of Malachor V.


True; Valkorion should be way more powerful than he demonstrably is.

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- Prior to the aforementioned event, he was stated to have supreme power in the Force at a time when Marka Ragnos was still alive.


Lol do you really want to set the precedent that "supreme power" can be taken literally? Just say yes if you really do, and I'm sure you know what's going to follow.

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- He has three lines of scaling which puts the likes of Muur and thus Vader/Krayt far beyond fodder range


Only because you still incoherently claim that FP Murr - spirit Murr >>> FP Krayt - Vong Krayt based on this weird non-argument about Jaden Korr beating spirit Ragnos and how this works if you circularly assume stuff about Jaden and Ragnos.

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Valkorion without a doubt is second only to KF!Vader who should be in first place.


Then you should vote for Vader kek, because your plan to demand a recount doesn't get helped if Vader gets placed lower and it appears that he has less support.


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Why is your only argument scaling Ellim? You're like a Jew when someone criticises Israel, you invoke the Holocaust and Anti-Semitism and move on.


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Not sure how transitive logic is being compared to ad hominem attacks now...?


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Valky is more powerful and masterful in the Force, but Ani beats him, so I vote Anakin.


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Valkorion is definitely more masterful in the force and has more actualized power, but Knightfall Vader has far more raw power and is the better combatant. Hmm....

I'm gonna have to go with Valkorion, simply because I think he would win in a pure force battle.

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Valkorion is definitely more masterful in the force and has more actualized power, but Knightfall Vader has far more raw power and is the better combatant. Hmm....

I'm gonna have to go with Valkorion, simply because I think he would win in a pure force battle.


To be clear though this is an all-out contest.


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Oh you're right, just went back and read the rules. In that case I'll go with Anakin.

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