this is the same buffoon that thinks flash doesn't have super speed and that sentry is an omniversal reality warper....... why you don't have him on ignore i will never know
this dude has Olympic level mental gymnastics, y'all just cant compete.
Superman did several things besides talk. He turned around, manipulated the ring, etc.
In another feat, Superman walked around, took off his tie, had long conversations, all casually, inbetween nanoseconds.
Forget movement speed, the perception that everything is frozen should make it damn near impossible to hit him. He would see the attack coming in almost still motion. He could choose to get out of the way or get hit. But he has a choice.
In the same issue, Flash was literally rebuilding an entire city nigh-instantly to look like krypton -which is, actually, faster than his city evacuation feat....buildings and all.
Superman sped up and caught him.
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So since Jane Thor has a hammer that can change directions, speed wouldn’t matter to her?
So Shaggy man should be a statue?
Darkseid doesn’t show any superspeed. The superspeed/statue fallacy only applies to DC characters fighting Marvel characters. Jane Thor shows greater speed feats than Darkseid. Surfer shows greater speed feats than Darkseid. Odinson shows greater speed feats than Darkseid.
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I have no obligation in following the bandwagon about some illogical reasoning.
If you want to believe that Superman is fast in combat after 75 years at being punched in the face by slowpokes and being unable to block or avoir their attacks, that's your choice mate.
Mjolnir...who is sentient and is almost a character in her own right (I think she's female..)? Yup.
Yes, Shaggy Man should be a statue. If not, then he should be super fast, and blitzing Batman.
But he doesn't.
So either A it's a stupidly high showing for Batman,or B a stupidly low showing for Shaggy.
This of course also applies to DS.
Why do you not think DS is fast? Because others tag him.
So is it a low showing for DS,or a high showing for the others?
Let's stop using Batman, because apparently people don't like the inability to debate against him,lol.
Constantine? A mere human? Is that a better example? He reacted to Flash, Superman, DS, Shazam etc. Does that mean HE'S fast, or they're all human level in combat?
Let's use Marvel against Marvel. Wolverine. Cap? Strange? Any psychic worth their salt? BP? Kingpin? DD?
Every time they interact with a herald,does that mean the herald is that slow, that the street is that fast....or.....PIS?
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I don't think anyone has said that.
The depictions of the characters in the comics give us the basis for the arguments that we make here. The one element that is removed in the forum as compared to comics is PIS. That should be pretty easy to recognize and reference in a debate.
I don't understand how that equates to people "NOT" using the comics for their arguments.
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and guys like ds and even thanos to an extent, are usually given lee-way by most reasonable posters. they tend to see the universe differently than most lower level guys. given thanos's past and his experiences, i wouldn't say he would be a statue in this match. he has enough experience with time and reality manipulation to make an argument that he could keep up with these characters. at least imo. speed COULD be used against him, but i'm not sure it's a failsafe argument, like flash speed is against someone like hulk. /shrug speed wouldn't be a factor imo against most (or any) cosmic level guys (like galactus, maybe even odin) they have other perceptual advantages.
So he can just talk at speed, but do nothing else? That's a hard case to make, tbh.
Superman has proven combat superspeed. Just because the plot demands that he not use it, or he himself decides not to use it, doesn't erase the mountain of evidence that he has it.
Darksaid has actual superspeed, at least in terms of reactions.
And you really should stop trying to make this some Marvel vs DC thing. It's a speed thing.
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Also, everyone? Stop with the ****ing bashing. Disagreeing with someone, or thinking their argument is stupid, isn't a reason to be an ******* about it.
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Are you thinking that it is legit to pick a scan and give a character an ability that he never demonstrated to have and not correlated to the scan in question ?
Superman has thrown some flurry of punches at high speed a very few times which is an all-out attack and not really combat speed as it is intended to be because it imply that the character is actually able to do other combat manoeuvres at high speed, not just attacking but defending, avoiding, etc...
And the rare characters that Superman "outspeed" in combat were slow character without combat speed feats: Probes, Doomsday, etc... It is hard to make a case for a character when only one or two attacks at best are throwed on panel and that the main character isn't capable to avoid or block it, right ?
And this isn't just the case for Superman but it is too for characters like Sentry, Thor, Hulk, etc...
The plot doesn't demand for a character to use an ability he doesn't posses.
Superman isn't different than other comic book characters regarding to this.
If we do that, the amount of instances of Superman using his superspeed in a way that showcases his reactions would make the argument for him win.
Mods have been through this before: He has superspeed. The comics support this. It's to the degree that's to be measured, just like we do with things like strength, durability and so on.
To deny that the man has impressive combat speed (relatively), is to be as obtuse as to say Cyclops doesn't shoot red beams out of his eyes.
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