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Originally posted by -Pr-
If we do that, the amount of instances of Superman using his superspeed in a way that showcases his reactions would make the argument for him win.

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Mods have been through this before: He has superspeed. The comics support this. It's to the degree that's to be measured, just like we do with things like strength, durability and so on.

To deny that the man has impressive combat speed (relatively), is to be as obtuse as to say Cyclops doesn't shoot red beams out of his eyes.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
It's a lot more than three, which is your problem right there and where the lowballing comment comes from.

The rules of the forum take in to account things like PIS/CIS.

Not to mention the fact that Superman has shown himself more than willing to take a punch if it means someone else doesn't have to.

He has combat speed. This has been shown more than enough times to be not just an outlier.

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have no problem changing my view if you, or anyone, prove me wrong.

The arguments showed in their proper context, of course, and Superman being consistently fast against fast characters.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like you're saying one thing then contradicting it a moment later, unless I'm mistaken. We have an actual Superman respect thread on this site bursting with speed feats. We have PIS/CIS rulings in the forum rules themselves that account for exactly this kind of argument.

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where am I contradicting myself ?

I am asking for proofs.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Proof that Superman has combat speed, right?

I can't copy and paste everything, but here's the thread you can read them in:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t601613.html

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
Travel speed ?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not read the combat speed ones?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not read the combat speed ones?

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would have to search high and low. After a fairly extensive look, I found the Lobo fight. I’m familiar with three more or so that may be somewhere on it, but overwhelmingly you see non-combat and flight speed.

Superman’s combat speed is almost always short duration flurries of less powerful punches that throw his opponents off balance. Below is what’s typical of those rare instances.

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Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. DC and Marvel combat speed showings are pretty bad tbh. Especially when you have to use flurry hands as an indication of someone having high end speed showings in combat.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't have to search high and low. The respect thread has

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Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. DC and Marvel combat speed showings are pretty bad tbh. Especially when you have to use flurry hands as an indication of someone having high end speed showings in combat.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would have to search high and low. After a fairly extensive look, I found the Lobo fight. I’m familiar with three more or so that may be somewhere on it, but overwhelmingly you see non-combat and flight speed.

Superman’s combat speed is almost always short duration flurries of less powerful punches that throw his opponents off balance. Below is what’s typical of those rare instances.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is probably one of the more impressive ones. This is actual sustained fighting a hyper speed while the world around them is frozen.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
The thread you linked to is what I was searching. I stopped after a while but the speed sections I looked at produced the Lobo fight. Its easy to see how someone looking through it will see only flight and non-combat speed feats.

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's pretty much what I've said in my conversation with Pr.

Superman has around 3 showings like that in 75 years...

And a flurry of punch is an all-out attack, Superman usually isn't able to block or avoid attacks...

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
Weren't they fighting inside Reed's ship which had his own time bubble thus making that speculation null and void ?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Can't say I agree.



Try this instead:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthr...ete_postcrisis/

He has FAR more than 3 showings of combat speed in 75 years.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
Under the section entitled combat feats, there are actually 3 non-flight speed combat feats. One flurry on Mongul and 2 on probes. All similar to the one shown above against Equus.