Guess this is kind of an odd thing to get triggered on, but adaptations like The Boys always seem off to me. I finally figured out why: They completely changed the roots of the thing. Take Wee Hughie, he was very much Irish American, with a heavy emphasis on the Irish part. This is Garth Ennis's signature stamp in all his works, being that he's Irish himself, and a naturalized American. For me, that Irish lens is part of the charm of his works.
There's none of that in the Amazon show. Every trace of Irish is just gone, either because the writers just don't understand Irish culture, or someone in the production chain didn't think that relatable to modern audiences.
It's a small thing, but for me it changes everything. And, to be blunt, it's also pretty heavily racist, in a world where everyone looks at cultural voices that are "trendy" or well lobbied for, and complain on every media outlet, yet things like this, no one gives a shit about because no one's complaining.
And I don't feel frothing at the mouth mad about it, either. I just think it's kind of a sad loss on works like this. I'm not a little bit Irish, but seeing the world through his eyes is just more interesting then looking at another stock "relatable" character who works at an electronic store..
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And somehow it escaped me that Hughie is Scottish.
Well **** me, I just triggered myself.
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I stand by the spirit of my earlier rant, (Which was still technically related to culture, since Scotts and Irish do have a relationship) that taking the Scottish out of Wee Hughie fundamentally changed the story.
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Well anyway I just found the first 2 episodes to be cliche of a anti-super hero show/movie. Kinda of a copy of DC characters gone wrong but I warmed up to it. Not a fan of amazon prime but this show turned out to be well watchable
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I agree with the sentiment that the immigrant take is important in Ennis work, but I haven't seen this show to see exactly how it detracts from the feeling the originals provoke.
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: I'm not gonna use spoiler tags cuz I think the show has been out long enough. Oh and this will spoil the comics too.
I've come to accept that when a comic gets adapted to tv or a movie there is going to be changes. I can't say most of the changes really bother me, but one thing with Hughie did bug me. In the show he kills a supe, but it's different than how he kills one in the comics. In the comics he accidentally kills a supe because he had taken the same substance that gives supes their powers(you need a pure version of it for the powers to be permanent, which Hughie didn't have). So he had temporary increased strength and durability and he accidentally punches through a supe and kills him.
I think that adds some complexity to the situation and would be have been interesting to explore. He lost his gf to an out of control supe, but then he got to experience how easy it is to lose control and kill. Idk, that's just my main gripe as it could have been interesting.
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Only three episodes in, but do they go into the woman's bloodlust? Like how she had to kill, like an addiction?
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
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I've been afraid to watch this because I'm a fan of Garth Ennis and didn't like what Preacher did with the source material. I've been hearing that The Boys is more faithful to the comics than that show was, but there's still a lot of bullshit in it.
It is faithful in the general plot. It's the small details it differs on. Different personalities, less humor or subtlety here and there, more "wokeness", in addition to outright alterations of characters that don't fit the Hollywood target audience.
Walking Dead did the same thing. (Carol becomes she-rambo, the priest becomes a LOT more pathetic and less sympathetic, the sadistic little boy becomes a sadistic little girl (Ironically, that one changed the least of all of them, in terms of characterization.)
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Preacher is a horrible tv show. I don’t think it’s possible to slander/**** up a show like amc has. Walking dead and into the badlands have became horrible
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The Boys is definitely more faithful to the source comic than Preacher is.
I just greatly dislike how The Boys, a comic book intentionally made to be more shocking and outlandish than even Preacher, has been somewhat neutered on the show adaptation.
Aug 7th, 2019 04:54 PM
