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It's not. That's like saying: Those who voted for Hillary are dishonest because prior to that they were Bernie Sanders supporters.
I have 'Thul > Windu, but if Windu beats 'Thul in the votes and is against Valkorion I am then left with the limited choice of either picking Valkorion or Mace. I picked Mace. Nothing dishonest about it, it just means I have both Unu and Mace above SW: TOR's sh!tty attempt at Palpatine.
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If you're not willing to give the technique as much credit as I do then thats on you. I do believe however that I've proven that the technique can be used in the specific method that I've argued for, in combination with Valkorions other abilities.
Revan during both his fights in SoR uses it in the midst of combat:
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And the Dread Masters do as well:
6.55 for an example. After beaten individually they teleport into the center to recover for the final battle against all of them.
Satele also uses it if the Outlander to evade the attack, in the exact way that I'm suggesting Vakorion could use it:
1.00. The Outlander is certainly comparable to the capabilities of most of the opponents Mace has fought, and a far, far inferior force user than Valkorion is able to easily use teleportation to evade their attack.
I think you can understand why Valkorion should be capable of replicating the feats of characters he's far greater than in a technique that he also possesses.
It's obvious? You can see him start to run froward when he turns invisible (and partially even afterwards) and then the Consular Force Waves him out of it. In the teleportation scenes he appears behind her standing perfectly still. Your suggestion is absurd. Why would he instantly run behind her, stand still, attack, run back to his start position and attack again just for effect? That's imbecilic. He could just stab her while running past her if he could do that At any rate Swtor doesn't use Force Speed at all in cutscenes.
And he could be mixing up his abilities so she doesn't get used to one power, anticipate and counter it.
He can appear behind him and instantly blast him, it wouldn't be that difficult. And even if I agreed with that lunacy with regards to Maces power (which would fly in the face of his showings against every other opponent hes had), he can't take an attack from them undefended.
Not in their individual fights, as I posted above. And the fact that it was a large team coordinated by BM fighting Revan is exactly my point. They can support and protect each other. Mace is alone.
He was reacting to her. Your suggestion is that he can instantly close distances against opponents, which he failed to do there. Her attack wasn't even that fast. It had a clear telegraph and Talzin isn't even on Dathomir. Why would he fare better against Valkorion? Just because you want him to? Even afterwards he just watches as she slowly conjures a weapon in front of him. If he was as fast as you say he'd have lunged forward and cut her down in the middle of that. Mace couldn't even outrun the rhino in AotC. Nor could he instantly close the gap against Jango. And Swtor is similar to TCW in those regards. I'm willing to suggest that there'd be no blitzing from either if you want.
Hence why I'm arguing for its use in combination with his other abilities, even though I don't think they're necessary. But yes you are. Instead of entertaining the practical capabilities of the technique you're trying to paint it as useless even though the actual visible uses of it have been successful.
You are mistaken, yes. As I posted above.
Standard nexus defense. Revan wasn't gathering power, he was giving a speech. He was maintaining a powerful barrier at the same time. If teleport took that much he wouldn't be able to do that. And a nexus has limits, you'd reach the same point of injury or fatigue regardless of a nexus.
Don't be coy. Its far greater than that of anyone who used the technique.
Which could just be because the cage prevents him from teleporting out of it. Or its a plot hole. He shows no visible signs of exertion when people in far worse shape have used the technique. But you didn't rebut the idea that if it were a draining technique frivolous uses would be out of the question. So assume you agree with that point.
This isn't a versus thread. Its about their overall capabilities as fighters.
From a quick Force Push, which he didn't manage to block and only survived by force pushing himself away from the window. That would count as being stopped in your tracks, lol. Valkorion is far greater than he was in Revan, an attack even greater than the one he used against Arcann would prevent Mace's charge (and likely overwhelm him).
The nexus is irrelevant, Valkorion is far stronger than he was at that point. And comparable to what, lol?
5 actually. And no, not arguably. I like how when its Talzin she just attacks too quickly but when its Vitiate they're just slow though.
Dooku zaps Anakin in AotC and he blocks him with chairs and cutlery in Crisis on Naboo. Obviously Dooku also lands Force attacks on Anakin regardless of distance consistently though. And the RotS novelisation is so wildly contradictory to the film that its worthless. Obi-Wan loses 15 seconds into the fight and at no point is he moving too fast for Dooku.
I've already shown that Mace does not zip around as much as you think he does. He doesn't in any fight he's in, not even the Sidious fight where he's described as marching forwards. He fails to outrun the rhino in AotC, or blitz Jango or Talzin and gets surprised by Magnaguards. And the vast majority of situations would involve some method of potential hindrance. Fighting in a featureless void is the exception, not the norm. And finally you're still ignoring that Valkorion also possesses Force speed and it takes less time for him to attack than it does for Mace to run over to him. Which makes your whole point moot. Even if Mace can cross distances at the speed you're suggesting, which he's never done, Valkorion would still attack him well before he managed to do so and thus Mace would be unable to attack him directly with his lightsaber.
His "incompetencies" are largely just those of Drews as a writer. Simply because hes shitty at writing fight scenes doesn't mean Vitiate is a poor combatant. He annihilated the Strike Team made up of the strongest Jedi casually and he *****-slapped Arcann and Vaylin around. He's won every fight where he's not ridiculously weakened.
And I didn't fail in that, you just reply to everything piecemeal so much you probably forgot the rest of my post.
I did read it in context, actually. Mace exclaims in surprise, so I don't really see what you're trying to point out. There's no difference between him focusing against Dooku and Vitiate focusing against Revan. Except that Vitiate actually did manage to react in time, of course. And just because he did it at the last instant doesn't mean he couldn't have done it sooner. He may have just have kept attacking Revan until the last moment.
Ok, someone is going to have to explain it to me because this is ridiculous. So I can't use "canon" comics if they have feats you don't like, but ILS is free to use comics with that version of Maul if it has a feat he likes, while claiming he's only using the Legends version and you can't use canon feats to lowball him.
Whats the actual policy here?
But whatever, Revan would annihilate Maul let alone Valkorion. Mauls speed is not nearly too much for him, just like neither is Maces. Or Revans, or Arcanns or anyone elses.
1. Bullshit, he's highly distressed the RotS too and it just makes his Vaapad better.
2. Oh so feats shouldn't be held against a character if they dramatically improve afterwards, huh? That's interesting.
3. You have a bizarre way defining a retcon. That Mace is performing better against Sidious than he is against Ventress is obvious. It still establishes that Mace has low showings just like Valk does.
He's certainly more impressive, which is why you havn't shown anything from KotFE. He dealt with Arcann far more efficiently than he did Revan and his displays while possessing the Outlander are far greater than Mace can hope to survive. In general the wider-range display of abilities and combat techniques make him a superior combatant than Drews version.
The thread ended, so there didn't seem a point in continuing. And sure, he acts like that to opponents that he can demolish easily. But I thought that Mace was sooooo superior as a combatant than anything Valk has fought that he'd obviously try harder.
Valkorion was specifically appearing to and attacking Vaylin, its premature for you to claim she broke out. Not to mention Vaylins power and potential is similar to Valkorions. At any rate, Arcann couldn't do the same and he's more powerful than Mace is based on feats and more.
I did actually, you just ignored them for some reason. He attacks the Outlander and Vaylin and he's shown starting attacks in stopped time as well. Moan about it not making sense if you want but it happens. But even if he could only attack the instant time resumes it would still be too much for Mace to deal with, especially in conjunction with his teleportation and other abilities, which I see you didn't even attempt to contradict.
Also can you be more concise in the future please. You don't need to quote everything individually. If your plan is to write so much I simply won't bother to respond then its working. 2 posts is my absolute limit.