I think sufficiently strong basals can arc them, but those are literal miniature singularities. The difference here is that Luke and Kyp moved those around with intense effort while UnuThul is constantly arcing away entire barrages designed to take out capital ships in the middle of a space battle.
There are incredibly high firepower figures for capital ships that remain controversial (e.g. that a star destroyer can turn a planetary surface to molten slag within hours), but that isn't really relevant here because the issue is moving the turbolasers, not tanking or powering them.
It was small towns.
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Ell, not sure why you cited UnuThul supposedly dominating Luke when know full power Luke just dominated him right back, since, you know, it actually happened? Not really a genuine feat, no.
He fears he'll get overwhelmed and then receives support from Leia, Mara, etc. Granted he was taken by surprise, but he was also getting external aid sooo...
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It depends on what you mean by "compete" - Mace was getting outmatched pretty clearly at the beginning of the fight. Here "compete" would just mean "not get killed immediately".
Regardless, I do buy that Mace Windu by that powerscaling + vaapad + superconducting loop + shatterpoint can defeat Valkorion - the only potential issue is how much of Windu's power you think is dependent on "building up" vaapad.
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What are you referring to. Because I don't recall any source showing Mace clearly outmatched at the beginning. In the senior novel, vapaad is only mentioned after Mace and Sidious have already torn everything in the room they're fighting in to pieces. Mace then is partially able to deflect a force blast without vapaad despite being caught off guard. The script has amputee Mace deflecting Sidious's lightning for a bit before being overwhelmed.
The notion there's a great disparity between the two without vapaad is both heavily contradicted and unsupported.
The idea Mace is close is further supported by favorable comparisons to Yoda who sources have even called him > than. I realize this is a minority, but given you've argued among similar lines to defend the claim that Sidious and Anakin are close, I think you'd agree with me that there being evidence present for Mace suggests Mace is close to Yoda/Sidious.
Sure he is. Some one should really raise these sources so they can be put under proper scrutiny. As per Dark Rendevous he's Dooku level at best. The same source that marks the Count as Yoda's clear inferior.
Which is why Vaapad transforms him into a highly effective superconductor, or rather makes him able to channel immense amounts of Force with zero resistance. Without that ability then yes, I would assume the energy would annihilate him. Fyi, the RotS novel goes as far as to say that the dark side energy doesn't even touch him when passing in and out of his body:Again, he's become a superconductor.
Regardless this isn't particularly relevant, as it still doesn't preclude him needing an external source (i.e. Sheev) it "charge" himself up in the first place, in which case, his power is still relevant to his opponent.
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Nope. Dark Rendevous stated he was Dooku's equal. The "perhaps" was in reference to ther possibly being other jedi who could equal Dooku (Anakin). And that was still a few months out from the war. As of ROTS, he's surpassed Dooku being an 8 bordering 9 rather than a pure 8. You can't restrict Mace based on where you hold Dooku. Mace borders on Sid's level per Gillard, has the word of god saying he can compete with Sids, as well as a minority of quotes putting him equal or above Sidious's equal in Yoda.
All evidence suggests Mace is close to Sidious. and none suggests otherwise. So we would logically go with the former rather than the latter.
As per DR Dooku is also the Jedi Order's most gifted apprentice. I needn't point out that this is blatantly false.
Even as of ROTS sources have him nearly equal go Yoda in power. Mace being equal to Yoda isn't by Vaapad at all(which is never even mentioned in these sources), it is stated across many timelines, not just ROTS.
Your statement about the power "not touching" him is in regards to Palpatine's lightning not touching him, not that the power he channelizes is somehow independent of his capacity. A simple refutation is in order when we clearly see that Mace is strained by deflecting Palpatine's lightning. There is no zero resistance at all, he is simply channeling more power from his potential reserves than he does under base conditions. He charges his own power and unleashes it in a matter of seconds, Vaapad merely creates the perfect channel for it. Which is applicable for anyone, not just Palpatine.
Before I forget, there is also him deflecting Sidious's force blast, when both not in Vaapad and when distracted. This merely adds topping to the cake. All said and done, there is the vast majority of evidence putting him, even at base level, in the tier of Yoda/Sidious.
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