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Nephthys
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Originally posted by Azronger
To reinforce ILS' point, Anakin also has this feat in 21BBY, only a short while after he gets his shit kicked in by Saato and Trenox:

The next storm-shield generator overloaded just as Anakin reached it. He had a split second's warning, one hammer blow from the Force. The storm seemed to hold its breath...

...and then exhaled in renewed fury as the generator erupted in a burning light show of sparks. With a scream like a wounded animal the shield directly overhead collapsed and a maelstrom of theta particles poured through the gap.

He acted on instinct-and out of sheer bloody-minded terror. Throwing up his hands he used the Force to hold back the stream of theta particles, and with a shout of rage became one with the storm shield. Rejected the storm. He thought he could feel his blood bubbling. He was losing himself, disappearing within the scarlet vortex of the Force as it consumed him and transformed him into fire.

And there was his mother, whispering again. He can help yon. He was meant to help yon. Furious, Anakin stood alone against the storm.

"It was the most awful thing I've ever seen, " Qui-Gon had told him, so many years ago. "Theta storms kill in two ways, you see. If you're contaminated from a distance, well, it takes a long time to die. But if you are in the storm's path it trill rip you to pieces and then melt your bones. I've seen it kill both ways, and both ways arc cruel. Better to be swallowed alive by a sarlacc. "

Anakin felt the explosion heartbeats before it happened. Sweating and trembling with the effort of holding back the theta storm, ignoring the villagers who'd come to see what was going on, he tried to send Obi-Wan a warning-but his mind was so bludgeoned by the quicksilver torment of keeping the raging storm at bay that he couldn't feel his former Master's presence.

And then the refinery went up like Coruscant fireworks on Republic Day.

Screams and shouts sounded as panic surged through the Force, bright and white and stunning. Vision smearing and blearing, Anakin sought in the crowd for Teeba Jaklin. She'd come from the charter house to see what the fuss was about and remained because she couldn't believe her own eyes.

"Jaklin! Teeba Jaklin!"

She pushed and shoved and swore her way to him through the jostling villagers who pointed and gasped and were beginning to break for the refinery.

"Yes, Markl?" She scowled. "If that's even your name. "

"It's my name at the moment, " he said, his teeth gritted against the relentless pain of the storm. "Teeba Jaklin, please. Find Yavid for me. Make sure he's all right. "

The explosion's echoes rolled around the village, trapped beneath the barely holding shield. The red stormglow beyond it was matched by the red glow of leaping flames. The refinery was burning. He and Jaklin stared at each other as the rest of Torbel's people ran to help, shadows in the glare of the storm. Some headed for the artesian well, for water. Others made straight for the burning building full of raw damotite.

A chilling thought struck him. Was the mineral itself flammable? That smoke-was it a toxic cloud poised to poison every last man, woman, and child beneath the storm shield?

"Teeba Jaklin! Is there danger from the..."

Her eyes were full of fear. "Yes. Not drop-dead-on-the-spot trouble but even with our secret protection we'll all of us be sickly in the next few days. " She looked up at the thrashing theta storm over their heads. "Unless that clears quick soon and we can down the shields so the smoke gets to blow clean away. "

"Which..." He had to pause, to rebalance himself. The effort of fighting the storm was threatening to drive him to his knees. He'd started to breathe in harsh gasping pants. "Which is-worse? The theta particles-or the damotite-smoke?"

The question made her laugh grimly. "The storm-unless it don't clear and we're left breathing smoke for hours on end. Then we'll be likely done for whichever way you slice the bread. "

Of course they would be. The universe had a stinking sense of humor.

"You need-to find Yavid, " he gasped. "If he's-not hurt he-can help you. "

The look on her face said she thought they were all beyond help. "I'll look for him. How much longer before you fail, Teeb?"

He didn't know. He didn't want to think about that. "I'm- all right. Go. Please. " Another deep, shuddering breath. "Find Yavid. "

They were alone now, save for the men working on the shield generator. Jaklin turned away from him. "Guyne! How soon before that generator's fixed?"

The oldest of the four feverishly tinkering men spared her a glance. "Going as fast as we can, Jaklin. Half the circuits are burned out. "

Anakin tightened his hold on the Force, feeling the seethe and surge of the storm like living fire. "I can-hold on, Teeba. Don't-worry-about me. Just go. Co!"

Half step by half step, Jaklin retreated. In the garish light her eyes were narrowed. A muscle worked along her jaw. "I know what you are, young Teeb. You're..."

"Not-now, " he said, almost groaning. "Please. Find Yavid. Tell him-I'll get there-soon as-I can. "

Instead of answering, she turned to look at Guyne one last time. "Could he our lives are with you now, old Teeb, " she said, her voice cracking. "Don't you be letting us down. "

His teeth showed briefly in his thin, seamed face. "Not planning to, old Teeba. Get on now. Rikkard'll have need of you. "

Anakin took another rib-cracking breath. "Teeba..."

"I know, " she snapped, retreating. "Yavid. I said I'd look, and I will. I'm an honest one-even if you aren't. "

She broke into a flat-footed run. He watched her for a few short, uneven strides, feeling Guyne's measured stare.

Don't look at me, old man. Fix that generator, would you?

Anakin hurt so much now it would be easy just to... give in. Give up. Let go. But he couldn't do that. Hundreds of lives were depending on him. He had to stand here and take it until the generator was fixed-or his heart gave out. So he closed his eyes. Whether it made sense or not he always found it easier to focus his will when cocooned in darkness.

With sight denied him all his other senses leapt to keener life. The stink of the shield generator's scorched circuitry. The stink of burning damotite from the exploded refinery. The stink of his own sweat. He heard-felt-three more explosions. Smaller this time, in swift succession. There were shouts, sirens. Sounds and echoes drumming. The worst of the Force's insistent warning had faded, leaving him scoured hollow and stunned. Now all he felt in the Force was confusion, fear and pain. Everything he usually felt, no matter where he was. It was terrible and yet, in the strangest way, also comforting. He knew how to deal with that.

It was the unknown that made him nervous.

How long had he been standing here, holding back the storm? Probably less than an hour. It felt like days. Years. He didn't have much time before the choice of whether to let go or endure would be out of his hands. Even the Chosen One had limits.

He remembered himself as a small boy, boasting to Qui-Gon at his mother's rough table.

Has anyone ever seen a Podrace? I'm the only human who can do it.

And now he was probably the only Jedi who could turn himself into a living storm shield.

It isn't boasting. It's the truth. I've got a knack for beating the odds.

Now all he had to do was beat these odds for just a little bit longer...

Sweat pouring, heart pounding, dimly aware that he was burning himself out, Anakin clung to the Force like a child to its mothers hand. Time passed. He passed with it, in silence.

"All right, " said Giuyne at last. "I think that's got it. Teeb Markl..."

Stirring, he opened his eyes. "Teeb?"

"We're going to try the generator. Get ready. "

He managed to nod.

The other three men stepped back from the generator as Guyne, sore and sorry and tired, took a deep breath and reconnected the power supply. He flipped a series of switches, waited-waited-then activated the shield.

With a sizzling hum the storm shield came back online. Guyne and his three friends cheered, tiredly ecstatic... and Anakin slumped, falling boneless and graceless to the hard, dry ground.

Master. "I know you couldn't. I'm not angry. If anything, I'm astonished. Anakin, what you managed..." Obi-Wan shook his head. "I'm not certain that Yoda himself could've held this wretched storm back the way you did, for as long as you did. You saved the village. "


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Tanking a theta storm that can melt bones for an hour? Anakin is up to the task. Compare that to Arcann not lasting a minute against a lightning storm that could only kill not even disintegrate like the theta storm. laughing out loud

Arcann dies horribly against Padawan Anakin. Pitting him against Maul is the very definition of mismatch. laughing


That feat isn't even better than Tott Donetta's.


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Holy shit Neph sucks dinosaur balls


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That feat isn't even better than Tott Donetta's.


If wookieepedia is accurate those heat storms Tott partially blocks reach like 300 degrees celsius, wheres theta storms could melt bone (melting point of 1670 c).


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Melt it? Thats cute.

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It looks more like it's engulfing the bones, and we see charred skeleton remains later, so no it's obviously not melting.

And good feat for Tott, I guess he beats Arcann too.


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Tott wasn't even as powerful as Nomi, Arcann would eviscerate him.


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Nomi would beat Arcann as well, I suppose.


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Yeah, considering Tott's feat, he'd probably just walk right through that pathetic lightshow Valkorion put up. Not that Tott Doneeta has anything to do with this anyway; Arcann still dies horribly to Maul.


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Valkorion is infinitely more powerful than Tott, lol.


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Your entire opening point with regards to Anakin is based on the extremely exaggerated material related to the old CW cartoon. It's well out of sync with his standard showings and completely worthless to me. Build your house on concrete instead of sand next time. I appreciate how much effort you put into it though. .


Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I'm just gonna use this as a jump off point.

But given everything else in regards to showings and the like with other characters and even just standard non-named characters, why exactly are some considered exaggerated, yet when there are showings which are comparable are seen as not?


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Valkorion is infinitely more powerful than Tott, lol.


Not in the body of the Outlanded, it seems.


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Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I'm just gonna use this as a jump off point.

But given everything else in regards to showings and the like with other characters and even just standard non-named characters, why exactly are some considered exaggerated, yet when there are showings which are comparable are seen as not?


Hint: it's stuff he doesn't like, lol.

Given accolades, author intent, word of god, etc. all depict Anakin as a being of unprecedented connection to the Force, it stands to reason that he would outperform the vast majority of other characters in the magnitude of his showings when exhibiting comparable effort levels.

Obviously there's other factors like emotional and mental states, but I would think that if there was a contradiction between showings, the higher showings would make more narrative sense for the son of the Force itself.

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If wookieepedia is accurate those heat storms Tott partially blocks reach like 300 degrees celsius, wheres theta storms could melt bone (melting point of 1670 c).


It doesn't matter what internal energy these storms possessed or how much damage they could cause to normal people, what matters is how big the storm is and its "kinetic" energy, which is a more reliable indicator of whose feat is better.

Example-A smuggler picks up a lightsaber and strikes at a Jedi. At the last possible instant, the Jedi deflects the blade, which hsn't made contact with him at all, just by Tk. Do we now say that the Jedi has disintegration level Tk? No. Because all he did was deflect the mass of the lightsaber away. It would have been more impressive had it been a force user holding the lightsaber, because the speed of it would be greater and consequently the feat.

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That's blatantly ignoring the fantasy element of a space fantasy. It should be clear as day that a Force-user deflecting lightsaber blows is crazy shit.


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With Tutaminis? Sure. Or if the lightsaber touches his hand and is repelled? Again, sure.

So long as it is away from him, it might as well be another stick.

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Originally posted by Nephthys

Your entire opening point with regards to Anakin is based on the extremely exaggerated material related to the old CW cartoon. It's well out of sync with his standard showings and completely worthless to me. Build your house on concrete instead of sand next time. I appreciate how much effort you put into it though.

When you can't address an argument, characterize it so you don't have to.

That said, Anakin isn't a great basis for scaling since he regularly outperforms his usual level when pushed to the brink.

In other words...
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Given accolades, author intent, word of god, etc. all depict Anakin as a being of unprecedented connection to the Force, it stands to reason that he would outperform the vast majority of other characters in the magnitude of his showings when exhibiting comparable effort levels.

Obviously there's other factors like emotional and mental states, but I would think that if there was a contradiction between showings, the higher showings would make more narrative sense for the son of the Force itself.


This is why ILS said we shouldn't just "blindly scale"

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When you can't address an argument, characterize it so you don't have to.

Rocky's recent insistence on pointing out other people's fallacies/errors(^),
as if he's some sort of intellectual scholar on the matter, is pretty cringe,
especially considering his own incompetence.

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Rocky's recent insistence on pointing out other people's fallacies/errors(^),
as if he's some sort of intellectual scholar on the matter, is pretty cringe,
especially considering his own incompetence.

I was unaware scholarship was a prerequesite to commenting on a forum about which fictional character is more op.

Imma need to get that PHD in versus discussion now.

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I was unaware scholarship was a prerequesite to commenting on a forum about which fictional character is more op.

Imma need to get that PHD in versus discussion now.

No, it's just a pretty funny pattern you've followed for the last couple of weeks/months now.

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