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Weird, air quality keeps getting better in the US despite the unending "Trump, the sky is falling!" Comments from the ignorant.
Literally every prominent scientist from every single major scientific initiative in the entire world has unanimously come out against Americaís Trumpian policies on energy and the environment. The Avengers of scientists essentially, from over 165 countries, are all in agreement that we are fuking the pooch.

How can you look at that and continue to trust the politicians instead?

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Quote me where I said I trust politians on the environment? How's that gas powered vehicle you drive though for the environment Mr. Eco Friendly Guy?


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I thought leftists supported taxes?

They should be happy the Government is getting its cut.


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Quote me where I said I trust politians on the environment? How's that gas powered vehicle you drive though for the environment Mr. Eco Friendly Guy?
So are you against Trumpís policies on energy and the environment?

Iím a college student so I take public transportation everywhere... But thatís besides the point, why should we blame the ordinary folks who drive gas powered vehicles because theyíre the only affordable option? Shouldnít the government have a responsibility to invest in renewable forms of energy that drive the costs down for ordinary folk to buy more eco friendly cars?

Blaming the pawns and tiny pieces like you and I is not helpful in any way.

On the bright side, although our government is failing us when it comes to technological innovation and renewable energies at least the private sector is stepping up. Elon Musk and Tesla are making that shit affordable

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I thought leftists supported taxes?

They should be happy the Government is getting its cut.
The oil and coal industry are getting huge infusions of government capital in the form of subsidies while clean energy gets taxed. Isnít that a bit backwards? Come on

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Tesla can't even make 100 Model 3 cars and get them delivered. You are very uniformed. GM was the pioneer with the Ev-1 and Volt on a mass produced eletric car, not telsa. But it's typical that a latte sipping austinite college guy like yourself would go straight to praise telsa, who's business only exists because of goverment subsidies and tax payer money to even be operating.


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Iíve never been a fan of Trumpís protectionism. Free trade FTW


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Do liberals generally support protectionism? (In general. Not a criticism of your own beliefs.)


The way I see it, the environment is important to leftists. But so is poverty.

Imports contribute to poverty by taking away work that can be done locally.

Therefore, many leftists should support protectionism, because it helps reduce poverty.


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Tesla can't even make 100 Model 3 cars and get them delivered. You are very uniformed. GM was the pioneer with the Ev-1 and Volt on a mass produced eletric car, not telsa. But it's typical that a latte sipping austinite college guy like uoirw lf would go straight to proase telsa, who's business services of goverment subsidies and tax payer money to even be operating.
Nobody said Tesla invented electric cars, Iím well aware theyíve existed since the 90s. What Tesla has done is popularized them and reignited growth in the electric car industry. Not to mention that base models are already affordable for those in the upper echelon of middle class.

GM just said that Iím 20 years theyíll be 100% electric, which is crazy.

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And you never answered the question, do you disagree with Trumpís Environmental policies?

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You want "clean" energy in our current state of technology, go nuclear.

Although I really dig tidal energy sources. Solar energy great for your home, terrible for the enviroment and birds pick your poison.

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Nobody said Tesla invented electric cars, Iím well aware theyíve existed since the 90s. What Tesla has done is popularized them and reignited growth in the electric car industry. Not to mention that base models are already affordable for those in the upper echelon of middle class.

GM just said that Iím 20 years theyíll be 100% electric, which is crazy.


Those base modles they can't even get made. How about you do some research. Or on how bad they treat their employees, work them 12-15 hours a day and pay them crappy and won't let unions in their plants.

You really are a fraud environmentalist.


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You want "clean" energy in our current state of technology, go nuclear.

Although I really dig tidal energy sources. Solar energy great for your home, terrible for the enviroment and birds pick your poison.


You're right.

A professor wrote an Op-Ed about the subject, and how he stood right in front of the air vents of a power plant to prove a point.

Turns out he disappointed his anti-nuclear students, who told him "You shouldn't have done that".

The takeaway was whether it was safe or not didn't even matter. Politics.


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Nobody said Tesla invented electric cars, Iím well aware theyíve existed since the 90s. What Tesla has done is popularized them and reignited growth in the electric car industry. Not to mention that base models are already affordable for those in the upper echelon of middle class.

GM just said that Iím 20 years theyíll be 100% electric, which is crazy.


How are those cars charged.................when solar panels are made or destroyed what happens to the meterials used in them, is it safe to just pour into the ground?

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And you never answered the question, do you disagree with Trumpís Environmental policies?


The free market dictates what's viable, government decided Tesla is viable, enough they are not. They can't make money. They survive off government taxes. The same thing you say you hate.


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Emperordmb:

Do liberals generally support protectionism? (In general. Not a criticism of your own beliefs.)


The way I see it, the environment is important to leftists. But so is poverty.

Imports contribute to poverty by taking away work that can be done locally.

Therefore, many leftists should support protectionism, because it helps reduce poverty.
The environment has nothing to do with leftists or identity politics. Global warming is the White Walkers to the north and everything else is trivial Westeros bullshit. We all have to live here, even Republicans.

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The vast majority of the people who voted for Trump live outside urban areas who live a more sustainable life then the Democrats who live in the cities surviving off the food those evil Republicans provide for them. Fly, you literally have no clue what you are talking about.


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Those base modles they can't even get made. How about you do some research. Or on how bad they treat their employees, work them 12-15 hours a day and pay them crappy and won't let unions in their plants.

You really are a fraud environmentalist.
Tesla leads America in sales of electric vehicles. There were only slight delays in deliveries and manufacturing. But 2017 was a record breaking year for electric vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstec...merica/%3famp=1

Bad treatment of employees is another matter.

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Tesla leads America in sales of electric vehicles. There were only slight delays in deliveries and manufacturing. But 2017 was a record breaking year for electric vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstec...merica/%3famp=1

Bad treatment of employees is another matter.


Telsas average price range is $75,000. I thought you hated the rich and the rich getting richer. Which is exactly what Tesla represents. Getting the tax dollars from the poor to subsidies the rich. You should hate everything telsa stands for. But you love them just another uniformed latte sipping college guy.

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The free market dictates what's viable, government decided Tesla is viable, enough they are not. They can't make money. They survive off government taxes. The same thing you say you hate.


In the wild west of capitalism there is probably little argument against that.

I would also argue that the govt picks far to many winners and losers so capitalism has taken a swing from free market to controling the govt....which isn't a "free market."

So where does that leave us?

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How are those cars charged.................when solar panels are made or destroyed what happens to the meterials used in them, is it safe to just pour into the ground?
Thatís not a good argument against solar energy. Panels can be made out of different substances or recycled. If managed correctly this issue is a Zero.

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