One of my suggestions was turning off all reproduction in humans and requiring a license to turn it back on. Similar to some dystopian Sci-Fi concepts.
Obvious, that's partially in jest but that's the only way, that I know of, that would be very close to stopping almost all unnecessary abortions.
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I mean comparing Mexico with the US doesn't really work for me because they're a different country and you said it yourself the disparity was owed to differences in services, quality of life, and economic factors, and this is not enough to establish a causal link between abortion legislation and the prevalence of abortion.
Also planned parenthood isn't the only organization through which you can get access to these things, and I'm not saying ban abortion and defund Planned Parenthood.
If abortion was illegal and PP couldn't perform abortions, AND if planned parenthood wasn't donating millions of dollars to democrat political campaigns I wouldn't have that impetus to defund them. I don't think any organization donating millions of dollars to partisan political campaigns should get handouts from the taxpayer. If an organization wants to get handouts from the taxpayer they shouldn't then donate money to political candidates.
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I'm not researching your argument for you.
At the very least to the point where the total number of mothers and unborn children die from back alley abortions is greater than the number of unborn children who currently die from abortion. If it's equal to or less than that number it's not worth the moral compromise of a government being legally permissive of that kind of thing.
Edit: And again, I'm fine with contraceptives and sex ed
Either at conception or gastrulation (2 weeks) I'm a bit conflicted there. And as previously mentioned I have no stance on rape abortion since neither stance satisfies my conscience, and medical danger to the mother's life is a perfectly valid defense for abortion.
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Yes you will if you really want your argument, that I did not make or agree to engage in, to be addressed.
Why? Why do I want to make that argument? This is a red herring. I don't want to talk about that nor was that my point. That's your point. If you want that as your point, great, google it and research it and then argue with yourself about it.
But if you want to research my actual point, I can help you and I intend this in the most extreme of condescending ways (I mean it as insultingly as possibly towards you and I have 0 kind intentions in doing this, just to be clear):
I once held that stance. But it's just not possible to hold women to that standard as most don't even know they are pregnant until well after that point. They will get illegal abortions if it is only at 2 weeks.
And, no, I do not have data on that. But find me a single woman who knows for sure that they are pregnant at even 1 week.
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Other organizations that don't participate in abortion providing these services, and planned parenthood is not the only organization that provides these services. And condoms for example aren't very expensive.
I'm also completely in support of proper comprehensive sex-ed in schools, I'm not one of those dipshits whose like "teachin people to have safe sex is the path to Satan" or whatever.
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Again though, your argument and premise is completely unconvincing to me without the answer to the question I'm interested. If you're not interested in arguing that point, then your argument isn't shifting my position.
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I'm sick AF right now, need a shower, haven't eaten today, have class in two hours, and have been arguing with multiple people in this thread for the past couple hours.
I'm signing off for now.
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And they suck. Not all use them or will ever use them. No matter how much education you give them.
And they still cost money. When you're poor and horny (humans are very sexual...no matter what, they will still squish their genitals together), you're not too concerned about spending money on contraceptives.
That's great. It's demonstrably provable to prevent more unwanted pregnancies. I'm all about preventing abortions.
But, I just don't care about your question as I think it is unnecessary from my bottom-line to take my stance. Remember, I put my limit at a single dead woman getting an illegal abortion.
My line is already crossed. So why should I care about your line? It's not mine. It's yours. You agree with my premise, anyway. So what are we even arguing about?
Again, I don't want to. I will not try to convince you of it. I am not interesting in doing so. There's nothing left to my argument. If you're not convinced of it, there's no point to continue especially to try to force me to argue your point: not going to happen. If you're not convinced that a single dead woman, due to an illegal abortion, is bad, then there's no point to continue because that's already my bottom line.
Another Irish poster on a wrestling board was on pretty good terms with me, until we got to abortion. Taking the "pro life" stance seemed to put me on his shitlist.
I guess I stumbled into a pretty personal topic, between that and the fact in recent history, some people actually died from being denied an abortion (Which I also didn't know at the time)
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I don't think people should be forced to go through with a pregnancy if it presents a danger to their health.
Thing is though, getting abortions because there is a physical danger are very very rare. As abortions due to rape. Most of the time it's just due to being irresponsible.
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The video touch's on who's pushing anti-abortion agendas.l
You said you're in PR, didn't you?
...and just noticed your name is Pr, but I digress...
I find myself often wondering how we get to where we are in political discourse. Take gay marriage.. The support wasn't nearly as universal a short time ago. As early as 2001 or so, I was the one defending people's right to marry, on the basis I believed people should have the right to do what makes them happy, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
Now, it seems everyone supports gay marriage. In many cases, vehemently.
Polls reflect this.. In only a few decades, we went from something like a quarter of people supporting same sex marriage, to a majority.
And yes, some of this will be due to changing demographics, kids coming of age and such, but there's no way a change that big will happen in such a short time unless a lot of people changed their minds, or a lot of people dropped dead.
So, more likely they were swayed. I don't know what convinced them, but it's mind boggling to me that a marketing campaign over a mere two decades can be THAT effective.
But I'm also wondering, what if they decided to market the opposite way, No gay marriage for anyone!
Or, maybe market for killing the gays.
Just how effective is this shit? How impressionable are people? I mean, my base views of abortion were formed back in my early school days, because of a very personal feeling that makes up the core of my ethics, which is based on my personality (In dirty terms, I usually think "If that were me...")
Seems to me, most other people spout off talking points. Points they got from somewhere else, or someone else. And I can't help but wonder if years of psychology and think tanks have created the most sophisticated propaganda machine on this planet, and if almost all of our politics, from the news to Twitter flame wars, are exactly what someone, somewhere, wanted them to be.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't give anyone shit purely for being pro-life. My only issue is when anyone who does it uses their opinion to hurt others.
I'm in IT. I wouldn't be able to be in PR, as that's the kind of job that deals with people too much.
It did feel like a very quick shift, aye.
Whatever your opinion, even if it's different from mine, the guy in the video is being woefully biased.
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