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i always thought that the SS is more mystic in a sense,that if AT saw 5 sec in the future and lets say spidermanwould backstab him, so AT will do a backhand in preparation for what he saw in the future, Spiderman would just react to whatever AT does currently, i mean he is agile/fast enough to react/do that. just my two cents here..

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i always thought that the SS is more mystic in a sense,that if AT saw 5 sec in the future and lets say spidermanwould backstab him, so AT will do a backhand in preparation for what he saw in the future, Spiderman would just react to whatever AT does currently, i mean he is agile/fast enough to react/do that. just my two cents here..


Unless the reactions are all exactly what AT wants him to do...


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maybe a time frame would be better here, hmm soo in 5 seconds spiderman would jump over AT and backstabbed him.. soo in 4.5secs AT will do a backhand, in spidermans case for me, in the span of .5 secs he would sense something and evade/counter at will in the span of .4 secs.. its a matter of who could outthink faster..

oh and asfor the ray example.. he doesnt have precog.. soo meh..

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maybe a time frame would be better here, hmm soo in 5 seconds spiderman would jump over AT and backstabbed him.. soo in 4.5secs AT will do a backhand, in spidermans case for me, in the span of .5 secs he would sense something and evade/counter at will in the span of .4 secs.. its a matter of who could outthink faster..

oh and asfor the ray example.. he doesnt have precog.. soo meh..


But AT will know that Spidey will evade/counter his first blow (remember, it doesn't switch on and off).

So when Spidey evades the backhand, he just...leaps straight into the spinning kick that AT launched. Because AT knew that he was going to evade the backhand, and acted accordingly.

But then, neither is Spidey lightspeed, lol.

Try standing at the doorway to a room, by the lightswitch. You're the one in control, so you know EXACTLY when the light will come on.

Are you telling me, just because you know when the light comes on, you'll be able to dodge the light? Jump out of the way of the light rays?


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Imo it's not that simple.
This has been posted before I think but it's still relevant.
Madam Web has spider-man's stats and can see the future. In fact her ability is superior to AT's as she's not limited to 5 seconds. And she still can't connect once on Parker. That's without his spider sense.
So AT's power is by no means an auto win. IMO it comes down to their stats. And it's a bit early to tell with AT. I honestly do not believe that he is meant to be a speedster, more like it was just meant to be a cool feat and a display of his time related power. However, if he'll be written as a speedster instead of a guy with enhanced stats I'll give him the win of course. For now he's DC's Mister X I think. They'll probably have him struggle with Dick Grayson in 6 months or so.

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DC's Mister X? Mister X got clobbered by Quicksilver. AT is MUCH more formidable. He kicked Lobo's ass. Has Madame Web done something similar to that magnitude? Has Madame Webb outreacted someone FTL?

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Mister X in a sense that he's the new flavor of the month on KMC. Not power wise.
No, she hasn't. But she does have a similar power. That was the purpose of the scan. Stats is a different story though. And until I see a scan of AT keeping up with Flash in an actual combat that AT's feat to me will remain just that, a cool feat. I am not yet ready to believe that AT is faster than Spider-man because of that scan alone. The same way I don't put Deathstroke's speed above every other meta just because he occasionally tags Flash thanks to strategy/experience/CIS. So no reason to believe that he'll be more successful than Madam Web in tagging Parker. And Spider-man has hurt herald level
characters as well. But like I said, if he's shown to be faster than Spider-man in future appearances I'll change my mind.


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Tbf,didn't Lobo eventually win?


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Mister X in a sense that he's the new flavor of the month on KMC. Not power wise.
No, she hasn't. But she does have a similar power. That was the purpose of the scan. Stats is a different story though. And until I see a scan of AT keeping up with Flash in an actual combat that AT's feat to me will remain just that, a cool feat. I am not yet ready to believe that AT is faster than Spider-man because of that scan alone. The same way I don't put Deathstroke's speed above every other meta just because he occasionally tags Flash thanks to strategy/experience/CIS. So no reason to believe that he'll be more successful than Madam Web in tagging Parker. And Spider-man has hurt herald level
characters as well. But like I said, if he's shown to be faster than Spider-man in future appearances I'll change my mind.


Well, if we're using AT's battle rig, he can fight forever, and eventually Spidey will be tired.

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Tbf,didn't Lobo eventually win?


No, I think he was distracted, and KF froze him.

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Tbf,didn't Lobo eventually win?


Nope. AT just couldn't kill Him due to His' HF.

Lobo has been portrayed very SHITTILY in the JLA book.

But then the whole book is really kind of shitty.


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Originally posted by SamZED
Imo it's not that simple.
This has been posted before I think but it's still relevant.
Madam Web has spider-man's stats and can see the future. In fact her ability is superior to AT's as she's not limited to 5 seconds. And she still can't connect once on Parker. That's without his spider sense.
So AT's power is by no means an auto win. IMO it comes down to their stats. And it's a bit early to tell with AT. I honestly do not believe that he is meant to be a speedster, more like it was just meant to be a cool feat and a display of his time related power. However, if he'll be written as a speedster instead of a guy with enhanced stats I'll give him the win of course. For now he's DC's Mister X I think. They'll probably have him struggle with Dick Grayson in 6 months or so.

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Sweet scans.

Afterbirth probably eventually goes down hard to Damian, mark my words.


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