Well, we know from Jiren’s comment that Vegeta was still throwing around power capable of beating up Hakaishin Toppo, and Jiren proceeded to oneshot him into Base after the comment. If Toppo has any degree of relativity with the Hakaishin, and Vegeta even moreso, it should give us a decent idea of where Jiren stands.
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There is no evidence either way, which is kind of the point. We literally don’t know where Beerus stands in relation to Jiren. I’d like to think at this point that Jiren is above Beerus, but nothing has been conclusively proven.
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True, but last episode it was also stated that Vegeta expended nearly all of his power when he used the Kamikaze attack against Toppo -- IOW, he was literally running on fumes this episode, which might help explain why Jiren kept one-shotting him back to base.
It was basically a repeat of a depleted SSG/SSB Goku vs. Kefla. /shrug
Personally, I was surprised that neither Beerus or Whis commented on Jiren's full power... Though I expect the character-comments to start rolling in once Goku attains MUI.
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For that matter, Beerus's imperfect UI combined with GoD tier "perfected" destruction energy may put him on par with, or even slightly above Goku's mui.
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But that should make up the deficit, since they established imperfect ui is as good at dodging as mastered, and energy attacks can be used sans ui attacks. And destruction can be used to augment defenses, in addition to needing no charge time at all.
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Toppo isn't Beerus. His newly realized Destruction energy isn't an indication of what a full God of Destruction can do.
Remember, Beerus casually blew out small amounts of Destruction energy.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Far be it from me to argue against an expert like yourself.
If anyone else wants to tell Time he's wrong, go right ahead.
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