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Galan007
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So, any guesstimates on where a full-power Jiren stands, relative to Beerus?


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Not really. He himself didn't comment, and the current characters are too far removed from any incarnation that fought Beerus to be of much help.

The best we can do is scale off Toppo, but that seems pretty unreliable.


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Well, we know from Jiren’s comment that Vegeta was still throwing around power capable of beating up Hakaishin Toppo, and Jiren proceeded to oneshot him into Base after the comment. If Toppo has any degree of relativity with the Hakaishin, and Vegeta even moreso, it should give us a decent idea of where Jiren stands.


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Can Beerus stand in one spot without flinching while Blue Goku pounds on him? If the answer is yes, please provide anime evidence.


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There is no evidence either way, which is kind of the point. We literally don’t know where Beerus stands in relation to Jiren. I’d like to think at this point that Jiren is above Beerus, but nothing has been conclusively proven.


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Well, we know from Jiren's comment that Vegeta was still throwing around power capable of beating up Hakaishin Toppo, and Jiren proceeded to oneshot him into Base after the comment. If Toppo has any degree of relativity with the Hakaishin, and Vegeta even moreso, it should give us a decent idea of where Jiren stands.
True, but last episode it was also stated that Vegeta expended nearly all of his power when he used the Kamikaze attack against Toppo -- IOW, he was literally running on fumes this episode, which might help explain why Jiren kept one-shotting him back to base.

It was basically a repeat of a depleted SSG/SSB Goku vs. Kefla. /shrug

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There is no evidence either way, which is kind of the point. We literally don't know where Beerus stands in relation to Jiren. I'd like to think at this point that Jiren is above Beerus, but nothing has been conclusively proven.
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Personally, I was surprised that neither Beerus or Whis commented on Jiren's full power... Though I expect the character-comments to start rolling in once Goku attains MUI.


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Now that Goku has attained MUI, any thoughts on where he stands?


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12-15 mabbe...we still dont have much to compare just speculations...


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He's definitely above Beerus at this point, but I'm not ready to put him anywhere near Whis-level just because he has MUI.

*I only mention Whis, because Toriyama put him at a 15 relative to Beerus' 10.


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Even Beerus was cheering like a lil girl when he mastered it...

Whis should still demolish him easy.

In that case Goku is 11 or 12. Most likely 11.


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Especially since we know for a fact that MUI is not the 'great equalizer'. Hence why Daishinkan is >>>> Whis, even though both possess MUI.


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MUI Goku kicks Beerus ass. He's easy a 12-13 a his newly mastered form. He can still dig deeper as well as Whis said.


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Especially since we know for a fact that MUI is not the 'great equalizer'. Hence why Daishinkan is >>>> Whis, even though both possess MUI.


For that matter, Beerus's imperfect UI combined with GoD tier "perfected" destruction energy may put him on par with, or even slightly above Goku's mui.


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Beerus > MUI Goku

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Beerus > MUI Goku


I'd like to think so. Even without Destruction.


But that should make up the deficit, since they established imperfect ui is as good at dodging as mastered, and energy attacks can be used sans ui attacks. And destruction can be used to augment defenses, in addition to needing no charge time at all.


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Originally posted by Inedian
Beerus > MUI Goku


Nope, a less powerful Vegeta took down a god of destruction.


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Nope, a less powerful Vegeta took down a god of destruction.


Toppo isn't a God of Destruction.

Toppo isn't Beerus. His newly realized Destruction energy isn't an indication of what a full God of Destruction can do.

Remember, Beerus casually blew out small amounts of Destruction energy.


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Dude you don't know anything about DBS. It's clearly shown their energy alone could have wiped out the gods of destruction.

All you do is troll DBS fans and try to talk about Superman.


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Dude you don't know anything about DBS. It's clearly shown their energy alone could have wiped out the gods of destruction.


Far be it from me to argue against an expert like yourself.

If anyone else wants to tell Time he's wrong, go right ahead. stick out tongue


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I'd like to think so. Even without Destruction.


Don't worry, Beerus is still above him.

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