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bbrem123
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Didn't they say Goku unlocked Jiren's hidden power. This seemed very similar to Gohan's hidden power, which he could not always tap into. He was desperate to win and this power was triggered. I didn't see it as his normal 100% power.

His normal 100% power was getting tooled by MUI Goku (He then had the flashback to his past which trigger the hidden power).

I very well could be miss understanding all this though lol.


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You are right.


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Originally posted by bbrem123
Didn't they say Goku unlocked Jiren's hidden power. This seemed very similar to Gohan's hidden power, which he could not always tap into. He was desperate to win and this power was triggered. I didn't see it as his normal 100% power.

His normal 100% power was getting tooled by MUI Goku (He then had the flashback to his past which trigger the hidden power).

I very well could be miss understanding all this though lol.
I don't think so. Imo, the implication is that getting pummeled by MUI Goku was just the catalyst that finally made Jiren use *all* of his power. Before that, he wasn't using his 'full' power, because he simply did not need to.

...Which is probably why Khai and Belmond didn't seem at all surprised by said power/aura when Jiren finally tapped it. Those two are even bigger Jiren fangirls than carv -- if it were some entirely new and unknown pinnacle of power that Jiren had reached, they would have undoubtedly said something to that effect(but they didn't.) There's also the fact that the previews/solicits just referred to it as Jiren "finally getting serious" and using his "full power". /shrug


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Is the consensus that the next time Goku attains UI it will be the 'mastered' version right off the bat, or will he still go into omen/n00b-mode first... cuz build up?


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He demanded results, but never perfection, and had amazing stores of patience for those who were truly working to their fullest ability.
It was a pity Thrawn's style of leadership hadn't spread through the rest of the navy.
If that happened, he suspected, the Empire would stand forever."

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I hope it doesn't have the build up...Unless they are gonna use it like they did SSG and SSB...


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Goku MUI is LUI.. LUCKYUI. Anyway he already has that power unlocked, he just needs some guidance from Whis and will truly know how to activate UI and master it.

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Re: If Beerus is a 10...

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Originally posted by Galan007
If Beerus is a 10, where do the following characters rank in comparison..?

-SSB Vegito
-Jiren
-UI Goku
-Hakaishin-Toppo
-SSB Goku /w/ KKx20
-ASSB Vegeta
-Golden Freeza
-LSSJ2 Kefla
-Aniraza


"According to the series' original author Akira Toriyama, in terms of power, Goku as a Super Saiyan God would be a 6, Beerus would be a 10, and Whis would be a 15."

Alright so from there:

Ultra Instinct Goku: Considering we don't know where he would rank with Whis...I'd put him around 12 or 13. Goku here does have godly powers far exceeding the Gods of Destruction.

Jiren: At Hidden Power Awakened, I'd put him 1 below Ultra Instinct Goku. So a 11 or 12. He was able to go toe-to-toe with Ultra Instinct after all but Goku did have the edge.

Toppo: Since Toppo became a God of Destruction, well, I think I would put him on a 10. Make him on level with Beerus since I'm not entirely sure if the Gods of Destruction have the same power level or not.

SSJ Blue Shinka Vegeta: With the above stated, I would put this power at the same level or 1 higher than Toppo, so a 10 or 11.

SSJ Blue Kaioken x20 Goku: 8 or 9?? Goku as a Super Saiyan God is a 6. So I would figure Goku as Super Saiyan Blue or "Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God further transforms himself into a Super Saiyan" would be a 7. Then I guess add Kaioken x20 to that to make it an 8 or 9.

True Golden Frieza: It was expressed that this form was stronger that the God of Destruction Sidra. Where does Sidra compare to Beerus? I dunno. I'd put him at a 7 or 8. Around the same power as I did with SSJ Blue Goku. Since, after all, the two were declared evenly match by Beerus.

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The Gods of Destruction have different power levels, though by how much is unknown, but they all fall below someone with Mastered Ultra Instinct and anyone whose able to give MUI a good fight I guess (in this case Jiren).


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Indeed. After all, Beerus' imperfect version of UI is essentially what put him above the other Hakaishin when they all sparred.


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He demanded results, but never perfection, and had amazing stores of patience for those who were truly working to their fullest ability.
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If that happened, he suspected, the Empire would stand forever."

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bump.

Any new thoughts on this? because it would seem that MUI and Jiren still aren't on Beerus's level.


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It has essentially been confirmed that Beerus is still > MUI Goku:
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"On the usual suspects: Goku is already pretty close to being a God, and Vegeta is desperately trying to catch up. This time, Frieza shows particular growth. He wants to be on top, but he ponders how he can with Beerus and co. Around. Is his ambition to defeat the Omni-King?!"

-Tatsuya Nagamine, Director of DBS: Broly


Although MUI Goku is evidently "pretty close" to Beerus-level.


And imo, the manga also paints the picture of Beerus still being superior to MUI Goku, as he didn't seem impressed by the transformation/powerup at all:
https://i.imgur.com/y6PmY90.jpg


So if Beerus is a 10, MUI Goku might be at like a 9.5 or so, with FP Jiren slightly under that.


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He demanded results, but never perfection, and had amazing stores of patience for those who were truly working to their fullest ability.
It was a pity Thrawn's style of leadership hadn't spread through the rest of the navy.
If that happened, he suspected, the Empire would stand forever."

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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: WHis 15
SSB Gogeta 12
Beerus 10
full power Broly 9.5
mui Goku 9.0
Jiren 8.8


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Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: WHis 15
SSB Gogeta 12
Beerus 10
full power Broly 9.5
mui Goku 9.0
Jiren 8.8


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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: MUI Goku 20
Jiren 19
Broly 11
Gogeta 12
Beerus 10


I know what Toriyama said, but I'll go by logical reasoning over word of God any day. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: The logic being that there's no reason for Gogeta to be any stronger then Vegito, and therefore no reason for Broly to be any stronger then merged Zamasu. At best. Until we get a direct confrontation, I'll hold that MUI Goku would beat Broly, Gogeta, and Beerus.


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The word of god outweighs everything in DB, you troll. your headcanon is idiotic.


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Originally posted by cdtm
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: MUI Goku 20
Jiren 19
Broly 11
Gogeta 12
Beerus 10


I know what Toriyama said, but I'll go by logical reasoning over word of God any day. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: The logic being that there's no reason for Gogeta to be any stronger then Vegito, and therefore no reason for Broly to be any stronger then merged Zamasu. At best. Until we get a direct confrontation, I'll hold that MUI Goku would beat Broly, Gogeta, and Beerus.


Your logic is stupid af.
How does pre TOP power lvl fusion equal to post TOP lvl fusion?

Thats like saying Boo saga SSJ Vegito = Black saga SSJ Vegito...


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