Didn't they say Goku unlocked Jiren's hidden power. This seemed very similar to Gohan's hidden power, which he could not always tap into. He was desperate to win and this power was triggered. I didn't see it as his normal 100% power.
His normal 100% power was getting tooled by MUI Goku (He then had the flashback to his past which trigger the hidden power).
I very well could be miss understanding all this though lol.
I don't think so. Imo, the implication is that getting pummeled by MUI Goku was just the catalyst that finally made Jiren use *all* of his power. Before that, he wasn't using his 'full' power, because he simply did not need to.
...Which is probably why Khai and Belmond didn't seem at all surprised by said power/aura when Jiren finally tapped it. Those two are even bigger Jiren fangirls than carv -- if it were some entirely new and unknown pinnacle of power that Jiren had reached, they would have undoubtedly said something to that effect(but they didn't.) There's also the fact that the previews/solicits just referred to it as Jiren "finally getting serious" and using his "full power". /shrug
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Is the consensus that the next time Goku attains UI it will be the 'mastered' version right off the bat, or will he still go into omen/n00b-mode first... cuz build up?
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Goku MUI is LUI.. LUCKYUI. Anyway he already has that power unlocked, he just needs some guidance from Whis and will truly know how to activate UI and master it.
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Re: If Beerus is a 10...
"According to the series' original author Akira Toriyama, in terms of power, Goku as a Super Saiyan God would be a 6, Beerus would be a 10, and Whis would be a 15."
Alright so from there:
Ultra Instinct Goku: Considering we don't know where he would rank with Whis...I'd put him around 12 or 13. Goku here does have godly powers far exceeding the Gods of Destruction.
Jiren: At Hidden Power Awakened, I'd put him 1 below Ultra Instinct Goku. So a 11 or 12. He was able to go toe-to-toe with Ultra Instinct after all but Goku did have the edge.
Toppo: Since Toppo became a God of Destruction, well, I think I would put him on a 10. Make him on level with Beerus since I'm not entirely sure if the Gods of Destruction have the same power level or not.
SSJ Blue Shinka Vegeta: With the above stated, I would put this power at the same level or 1 higher than Toppo, so a 10 or 11.
SSJ Blue Kaioken x20 Goku: 8 or 9?? Goku as a Super Saiyan God is a 6. So I would figure Goku as Super Saiyan Blue or "Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God further transforms himself into a Super Saiyan" would be a 7. Then I guess add Kaioken x20 to that to make it an 8 or 9.
True Golden Frieza: It was expressed that this form was stronger that the God of Destruction Sidra. Where does Sidra compare to Beerus? I dunno. I'd put him at a 7 or 8. Around the same power as I did with SSJ Blue Goku. Since, after all, the two were declared evenly match by Beerus.
The Gods of Destruction have different power levels, though by how much is unknown, but they all fall below someone with Mastered Ultra Instinct and anyone whose able to give MUI a good fight I guess (in this case Jiren).
It has essentially been confirmed that Beerus is still > MUI Goku:
Although MUI Goku is evidently "pretty close" to Beerus-level.
And imo, the manga also paints the picture of Beerus still being superior to MUI Goku, as he didn't seem impressed by the transformation/powerup at all: https://i.imgur.com/y6PmY90.jpg
So if Beerus is a 10, MUI Goku might be at like a 9.5 or so, with FP Jiren slightly under that.
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: MUI Goku 20
Jiren 19
Broly 11
Gogeta 12
Beerus 10
I know what Toriyama said, but I'll go by logical reasoning over word of God any day. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: The logic being that there's no reason for Gogeta to be any stronger then Vegito, and therefore no reason for Broly to be any stronger then merged Zamasu. At best. Until we get a direct confrontation, I'll hold that MUI Goku would beat Broly, Gogeta, and Beerus.
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At this point, considering all the different inputs from authors, TOEI, magazines etc., to me the following fighters:
SSB Vegetto (BA, pre ToP)
Beerus
MUI Goku (ToP)
LSSJ Broly
LB Jiren
are all in the same ballpark in power.
Someone is a little bit stronger than the other, but more or less here they stand.
My global order of ballparks is this one right now:
1) Grand Priest
2) Angels
3) SSB Gogeta (current, post ToP)
4)
SSB Vegetto (manga, BA pre ToP)
Beerus
Strongest Gods of destruction
MUI Goku (ToP)
LSSJ Broly
LB Jiren
(^ casual order here)
5)
Jiren (serious)
UI Omen Goku
Ssj Broly
Ssj2 Kefla
Merged Zamasu (mutated, anime)
"Weakest" Gods of destruction
SSBE Vegeta (current, post ToP)
SSBKKX20 Goku (current, post ToP)
GoD Toppo
(^ again, casual order)
6)
Merged Zamasu
SSB Goku (current, post ToP)
SSB Vegeta (current, post ToP)
7)
SSBKKX20 Goku (BA, pre ToP)
SSBKKX10 Goku (BA, pre ToP)
SSBKK Goku (BA, pre ToP)
Hit (allowed killing techniques)
8)
SSB Goku (BA, pre ToP)
SSB Vegeta (BA, pre ToP)
True Golden Freeza
Hit (killing techniques not allowed)
9) Everyone else
I also believe that if MUI Goku had appeared against Broly he would have beaten him more or less in the same way Blue Gogeta is going to.
MUI is just that massive as a power boost (and, also ofc, plot reasons).
I am however glad that the form is not going to be used in this movie: MUI is something different and special and better be kept for when things are going to be really serious in future arcs.
Who knows, we could see MUI Goku again and maybe an OP MUI Vegetto/Gogeta fusion, why not...
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Last edited by Sj_Sharp on Nov 17th, 2018 at 03:59 PM
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: do you think MUI goku would have been able to defeat Broly? i mean, couldn't he have just dodged all of Brolys strikes like Whis did?
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:
Jiren showed us that if you are at least close to the MUI user's power-level, the whole 'untouchability' thing goes away -- and given that Broly > Jiren, he'd likely push MUI Goku's shit in.
Whis dodged all of Broly's attacks w/o issue because he is simply THAT far beyond everyone else.
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