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quanchi112
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What was/is Snoke's ultimate goal?
Galactic domination/control/complete destruction of his enemies.


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Galactic domination/control/complete destruction of his enemies.
And then what? Doesn't sound very original.


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And then what? Doesn't sound very original.
Maintain control of the Galaxy while continuing to destroy his enemies as they arise. Your opinion about originality doesn't matter to me in the slightest. You find cuckolding Sith/Jedi guys interesting I find them both weak and unappealing.


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Maintain control of the Galaxy while continuing to destroy his enemies as they arise. Your opinion about originality doesn't matter to me in the slightest. You find cuckolding Sith/Jedi guys interesting I find them both weak and unappealing.
*yawn*
If my opinion doesn't matter to you why are wasting time responding to it?


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*yawn*
If my opinion doesn't matter to you why are wasting time responding to it?
To address you but in the end arguing about what appeals to you as what appeals to me is an exercise in madness. It would be like arguing the color blue over green and why it's better to you. Most tyrannical dictators want power and control. This isn't some new trait it's always been there in fiction.


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Everything happens for a reason.


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"And [Palpatine] would not allow himself to be sidetracked from his goal of unlocking the secrets many Sith Masters before him had sought -- the means to harness the powers of the dark side to reshape reality itself; in effect, to fashion a universe of his own creation. Not mere immortality of the sort Plagueis had lusted after, but influence of the ultimate sort."

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Everything happens for a reason.
Weak minds believe this to be true. Ask any religious zealot my confused and identity/less former apprentice.


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Weak minds believe this to be true. Ask any religious zealot my confused and identity/less former apprentice.
Your white-trash, uneducated identity is showing. Brains are nothing more than chemical reactions, and chemistry happens for a reason. Your skewed interpretations, for example, are due to chemical reactions occurring between receptors and effectors in your mind. It's okay, you can't control it. smile


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Again, why would he want an apprentice capable of killing him (Anakin) then?


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Originally posted by Galan007
"And [Palpatine] would not allow himself to be sidetracked from his goal of unlocking the secrets many Sith Masters before him had sought -- the means to harness the powers of the dark side to reshape reality itself; in effect, to fashion a universe of his own creation. Not mere immortality of the sort Plagueis had lusted after, but influence of the ultimate sort."

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Isn't this Disney canon?


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Again, why would he want an apprentice capable of killing him (Anakin) then?


Nowhere does it say that he wanted to be killed by Anakin. He just wanted to make the Force's Chosen One his most loyal servant, even if he risked to losing his life in the process.


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The Rule of Two was a problem solving system, not a directionless pursuit of power. It was the solution to ending in-fighting and destroying the Jedi once and for all. The founding tenets of the Sith themselves didn't change.

This is elementary stuff.


Someone doesn't get my point. Anyways, Rule of Two $ucks the most. Infighting might be over, but what if both die in a random accident or the apprentice killed the Master too early? This Banite Way is good only when you are concealed in shadows and the Sith aren't exposed to any outside dangers. It's only useful in the field of cunning and manipulation.

I like the Old Ways better. There would be infighting, but Sith would still rise one after another even if the "Master" is gone.

And not all Sith are about the power for the power's sake philosophy. For example, the Kraytine Sith only craved power for a purpose(bring order to the galaxy, etc)
The Old Sith sought to rule worlds after worlds because it would allow them to transcend their 'petty' social condition(in search of glory, honor, pride, etc.)


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Isn't this Disney canon?
It is from the Tarkin novelization, so yeah, it's Disney canon(which is canon, canon.)

confused


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Someone doesn't get my point. Anyways, Rule of Two $ucks the most. Infighting might be over, but what if both die in a random accident or the apprentice killed the Master too early? This Banite Way is good only when you are concealed in shadows and the Sith aren't exposed to any outside dangers. It's only useful in the field of cunning and manipulation.

I like the Old Ways better. There would be infighting, but Sith would still rise one after another even if the "Master" is gone.

And not all Sith are about the power for the power's sake philosophy. For example, the Kraytine Sith only craved power for a purpose(bring order to the galaxy, etc)
The Old Sith sought to rule worlds after worlds because it would allow them to transcend their 'petty' social condition(in search of glory, honor, pride, etc.)
Agree wholeheartedly


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In the Bane novel it was stated that an abundance of Sith roaming around actually weakens the dark side as a whole, because it is spread too thin between users. Moreover, it was stated that an abundance of Sith could enable multiple lesser beings to overthrow and kill a more powerful Master, which would subsequently allow a far weaker being to assume supremacy/leadership... And that would ultimately destroy the Sith all together.

Bane didn't agree with that methodology, which is why he reinstated the Rule of Two -- it helps cull weakness from the Order.


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Bane disagreed with his own Rule after he wanted to master Transference willing to possess Zannah when he was killed by her. Also, apprentices won't unite forces to overthrow their Master.
1. If the Master is stronger than them, the apprentices wouldn't dare to overthrow him or her(if they are aware of it; exceptions from the norm do exist)
2. Bane experienced only the Brotherhood of Sith(a communism type of Sith) where apprentices would join forces to kill their Masters because that was Kaan's philosophy where all Sith are equal, but crave for power still existed in the Sith. And Kaan allowed it. Even Kaan's own doctrine was actually a 'lie' he proclaimed to hold power over the other Sith Lords.


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^ That changes nothing I said.

Bane initially reinstated the Rule of Two primarily for the reasons I mentioned -- the novel was very specific in that regard. Whether or not you agree with his reasoning is irrelevant to the point at hand.


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In the Bane novel it was stated that an abundance of Sith roaming around actually weakens the dark side as a whole, because it is spread too thin between users. Moreover, it was stated that an abundance of Sith could enable multiple lesser beings to overthrow and kill a more powerful Master, which would subsequently allow a far weaker being to assume supremacy/leadership... And that would ultimately destroy the Sith all together.

Bane didn't agree with that methodology, which is why he reinstated the Rule of Two -- it helps cull weakness from the Order.


What you pointed out regarding the Old Rule is that it has disadvantages!? Rule of Two does too. What if both Sith are killed in an accident? What if the apprentice kills their master too early(not having learned everything) or kills them but turns to the light side by themselves or are converted to it by Jedi or other lightsiders?

In the end, all of them have disadvantages. But Rule of Two has the deadliest setbacks because it also implies activity in politics and still conceal your true nature.

And, yes, I wholeheartedly hate Bane's Rule of Two. It serves its 'political' purpose, but that's all.

In the Old Sith Rule, Sith would be out there even if an amount of them perished.
In fact it was only because of them that various Force sensitive or rogue Jedi would be able to turn to the Sith even if the order died(e.g: A'Sharad Hett with XoXaan, Exar Kun with the ancient Sith, etc)


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What you pointed out regarding the Old Rule is that it has disadvantages!? Rule of Two does too.
I didn't say otherwise. Both have inherent disadvantages.

However, the Rule of Two was more effective in that it ultimately allowed the Sith to reach [pen]ultimate galactic power/supremacy... Something the 'old rule' never quite matched.


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