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I am relaxed, I'm not offended. Your goal is to troll and it's slightly amusing. Especially after a concession and you still try............. laughing
ah good, then we are both amused presently.


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there's also the risk of deluding your voter base against a solidified right or left.


I agree with this, it's not like we have a right and wrong. We just have a program in place that makes it easy to support a side rather than policy.

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there's also the risk of deluding your voter base against a solidified right or left.


all it would take is an everyman. someone that can appeal to every1 with zero affiliation


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maybe someone who is universally loved with a squaeky clean image or a relative unknown john doe


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all it would take is an everyman. someone that can appeal to every1 with zero affiliation


We are always going to have an affiliation though. We create cultures to align with our beliefs. The best we can hope for is someone that can look to understand cultural divides and put that as a precedent for our future with a policy that supports that.

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We are always going to have an affiliation though. We create cultures to align with our beliefs. The best we can hope for is someone that can look to understand cultural divides and put that as a precedent for our future with a policy that supports that.


true. but im suggesting something along the messiah lines. we will always have fringes, but if we can find someone who has that universal appeal without being part of anything in particular.


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true. but im suggesting something along the messiah lines. we will always have fringes, but if we can find someone who has that universal appeal without being part of anything in particular.


Do we want a "messiah" though where we don't question them because they are above us? I feel where you are coming from but if we put someone on a pedestal and create that omnibenevolent dictator I don't think we'll get the results you hope for.

Then again you haven't explained your end game so it might be good for you.

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Well the last 8 years we had a "Messiah". Things didn't work out to well with that one....


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Here's hoping that Trump causes so much embarrassment with the Republican party that they split in two and I'm not just talking about something like the teabagger wingnuts, but a legit schism.


Indeed, I'm hoping the embarrassment the left is causing themselves has the Dems do something similar.


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Trump was a third party candidate, People Just have not figured that out yet.

Regardless of how much you hate him, hate his hair, how "fat he is" how dumb he is, he outsmarted 18 GOP candidates, and according to outsmarted according to Barack Obama "The smartest most qualified person to ever run for office."

Trump is getting shit done, and people hate him for it. Tough cookies.

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all it would take is an everyman. someone that can appeal to every1 with zero affiliation
we already got bernie and he chose (imho wisely) to not run 3rd party after the dnc/schultz ratf*ckery.

the trouble is that any popular 3rd party candidate is realistically going to cannibalize their base and strengthen the opponent's chance of winning, since 9999/10000 lean on one side of the political spectrum.


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Do we want a "messiah" though where we don't question them because they are above us? I feel where you are coming from but if we put someone on a pedestal and create that omnibenevolent dictator I don't think we'll get the results you hope for.

Then again you haven't explained your end game so it might be good for you.



messiah like....onlyin the universal appeal regards, not the he can do no wrong shtick.
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we already got bernie and he chose (imho wisely) to not run 3rd party after the dnc/schultz ratf*ckery.

the trouble is that any popular 3rd party candidate is realistically going to cannibalize their base and strengthen the opponent's chance of winning, since 9999/10000 lean on one side of the political spectrum.


bernie imo was too old. the person should be young, relatively speaking,


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Indeed, I'm hoping the embarrassment the left is causing themselves has the Dems do something similar.


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bernie imo was too old. the person should be young, relatively speaking,


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^ Always finding ways to cope with reality


I think you have difficulty coping with the reality of Trump's presidency which is why you lash out here 12 hours a day.

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Are you going to follow me around again and attack me in every thread I post in today?


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What a handsome person. Looks like a better looking version of Bradley Cooper.

Edit - Lt Gov. of CA. Democrat. So now you'll say he raped someone, right? Because I complimented him and now it's time for someone to say, "He's bad because x."


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It's fairly unlikely, at least in the short-medium term. Reasons:

  • FPTP electoral system which makes it hard to depose entrenched major parties
  • Big money which bankrolls both major parties and keeps them afloat
  • Gerrymandering which creates many ultra-safe districts for GOP/Dems
  • Spoiler effect, the danger of which could scare voters into abandoning third parties in close two way races
  • Structural disadvantages. Democrats and Republicans are heavily entrenched with much of the infrastructure needed for a campaign already in place for them. Insurgent third parties would not have this luxury.
  • Lack of talent and unifying figure(s) needed to bring together the rather broad range of people who are sick of the two-party system
  • Corporate and partisan media oligopolies which could deny third parties publicity if they ever became a threat
  • 15% polling average needed to qualify for debate, which no third party achieved in the 2016 race despite record unpopularity of the Dem/GOP candidates.

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