If Nadd went through all this research in attempting to control the orbalisks, including blueprints for using it as armor, but then decided that the side effects weren't worth the risks, he would have told Bane, who would have noted or otherwise factored that into his decision making. That Bane's narration would frame this as Nadd trying and failing to control the orbalisks and having blueprints for armor that he never completes but never saying that Nadd told him he decided against making the armor rather than failing to as "partly successful" may imply would suggest one of four things:
- Nadd was deliberately f*cking with Bane (then why would he warn him of the side effects and armor safety mechanisms in the first place?)
- Nadd denigrated himself by pretending he wasn't powerful enough when he just decided not to (LMFAO)
- Bane's PoV narration was deliberately deceptive (which we should believe just because Ant wants to believe it?)
I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about.
The orbalisks attach to Bane, so then he consults the Nadd holocron. Nadd's holocron warns of the side-effects, but notes that the armor can be used to help counter one of the side-effects - aka reproducing over the entire body.
Why Nadd opted to not create the orbalisk armor is unknown, but it is likely he still thought the side-effects outweighed the pros. Further, as I noted, orbalisks pop if absorbing too much energy, so Nadd might be so powerful they couldn't be put on him.
Your version of Nadd "failing to make the armor" doesn't make any sense. Nadd never had a full-body of orbalisks on him in the first place, so no armor attempt could ever be made.
The armor, which I don't think you get, is just a safeguard against one of the side-effects. It's not an indication of power by using it, lmfao.
That's funny. It's almost as though earlier you had made it a central argument to brag about how PoD Bane could barely wrap his mind around the rituals and techniques outlined in Darth Revan's holocron. But it's good to note now that Bane as a trainee was more than powerful enough to grasp them all.
That Nadd didn't put orbalisks on him (even if this is true) and that he wasn't powerful enough to do so aren't mutually exclusive, given that he clearly put effort into researching them and seems to think Bane could properly use them (unless he's trying to get Bane killed in which case why give the warnings and blueprints?)
I have commonly noted that, if Darth Bane could barely wrap his mind over a lot of Revan's rituals and spells, it is highly likely that there is countless information that is outright not stated.
Regardless, concession accepted.
You're backtracking at this point. I noted other reasons why Freedon Nadd might not want to use the orbalisks - a.) he views the side-effects as outweighing the pros b.) he is too powerful to use them.
Your argument that he is outright not powerful enough to handle the orbalisks is, frankly, less supported than my first argument. Using it as definitive is laughable.
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Given your own claim that holocrons only reveal relevant information, why would Revan bother telling Bane rituals he could "barely wrap his mind" around unless he thought Bane could successfully pull them off in the future, and perhaps the "barely wrap his mind" around part was just that it was a padawan-equivalent Bane studying his stuff over the course of a week?
Think about how many concepts you'd find trivial after even a few months of study/practice you might be barely able to wrap you mind around the first time you ever hear it.
That means that there's no reason to think that there was more information there Bane couldn't hope to grasp beyond your own wild speculation. Seems to invalidate one of your most prized arguments, but good to note.
Given that you just pulled two claims out of your ass, nah. Citation needed.
Already addressed. Nadd doesn't advise Bane not to use them, he does mention negative side effects but also gives him lots of information to take the armor himself. He didn't say "I'm much more powerful than you and even I was scared of it".
Doubtful given that
- his powers were vastly amplified by amulets that are trivial next to Bane, and
- Nadd was not able to control the side effects
He experimented with orbalisks, noted it could be made into armor, was noted to be only partly successful, and then never made it into armor. Bane did, while never noting Nadd decided the risks were too costly which would require his PoV narration to be deliberately deceptive.
"Barely wrap his mind" indicates that his mind can still partially understand it. Darth Bane writes down everything Revan says for later study.
Citation for the Holocron only revealing as much information as necessary?
"Nadd doesn't advise Bane not to use them?" The orbalisks are already attached to Darth Bane. What is Freedon Nadd suppose to say: oh, the orbalisks are on you, but make sure not to get orbalisks on you? You're argument is terrible.
What indication are there that Freedon Nadd used extensive amulets? Besides, that doesn't mean Darth Bane is more powerful than all amulets, lol.
That point and Freedon Nadd not being able to control the side-effects work together. Since Freedon Nadd is so powerful, the side-effects - being unable to be removed without killing the person and multiplying as they grow by feasting - is increased. Thus, for someone like Freedon Nadd, the side-effects would be far more potent than it is for Darth Bane.
It was noted that he was only partly successful at controlling the orbalisks power, which I noted is likely the side-effects.
As I've stated many times, there are many reasons why Freedon Nadd would opt not to make it into armor.
The PoV narration is not deceptive in not mentioning Freedon Nadd decided the risks were too costly. That has nothing to do with the actual storyline. Darth Bane has the orbalisks on him whether he wants it or not. Now, if Darth Bane listened to the Holocron then went to put on the orbalisks you would have a point.
Obviously the only reason someone wouldn't want a suit of armor that constantly shreds all your flesh to pieces and sends you into berserk rampages is that they're too weak to handle the powah. There's literally no other reason possible.