So the issue is reading comprehension, then? The relevant part of the claim Galan was trying to prove:
Is clearly wrong, and to suggest that it's correct would require you to make the claim that you say you aren't making. (Never mind that it's a strawman since the original conversation was about energy balls for which the surface area difference is even more apparent)
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Not that I fully agree with Galan but he makes a fair point. And comparing a bomb with chemical reactions and shit isn't the same as just an energy ball that goes boom. One releases more energy due to special properties and one just goes boom with no science behind it, no explanations. It's just a bunch of energy that spreads essentially. Maybe if you compared a warhead that exploded but was contained within a ball, and then promptly released would you have an accurate comparison.
Anyway, the argument was never solely about energy balls, that's what you turned it into. Gogeta said Goku was knocking away planet destroying attacks and he went on to say every attack from 4th form Frieza had the power to (though obviously more focused).
Even the death beams were blowing up earlier. Would you say Vegeta/Goku didn't take the full death beam because they didn't blow up and thus weren't as powerful? Also Frieza specifically kicks away an attack from Vegeta that Piccolo said would destroy the planet. At 1 percent of his power. With no explosion. Would we say that Frieza/Goku over a hundred times more powerful than Vegeta were throwing less powerful attacks because explosions are important?
Also, in the 4 instances of Planet Vegeta going kablooey I looked at (manga, anime, Bardock movie, time traveling Bardock movie), the consensus seems to be there were two explosions. It seemed the planet blew up when the ball simply collided with it, and then the ball blew up afterwards to create an even bigger explosion. Which would mean that a 530 000 Frieza can destroy a planet without the energy ball going kablammo.
Also ignoring Vegeta being able to destroy Earth with a Galick gun at 18000. The great big old bomb that is the galick gun.
Anyway, as we saw with the spirit bomb in every instance, the power is fully there when someone gets hit with it. It is never docile. Vegeta got ****ed up without an explosion. Kid Buu got destroyed before the explosion. Frieza got overpowered, encompassed, and took the explosion at half power without any real recovery period needed, so a being weaker than Goku fullfilled all the requirements there.
The problem with small surface area is that the being in your instance is literally powerful enough to manhandle the ball. If you're going to try and tell Galan it was never about this and that, then why would you raise a new argument that's entirely about durability against? Not only that, but all of the most powerful attacks in the Frieza saga did the dreaded explosion or consumed them to my recollection which renders this pointless.
But to answer this, it is about power as well as durability. If Goku is not powerful enough to stop it on his own, it's unlikely he's going to survive unscathed. And I don't recall an instance where a character matched a big old ball and then got consumed with no other circumstances or more power being pushed into said ball.
But here are two easy examples for both.
Frieza took a small Hakai from Sidra energy, survived it with some effort, and then overpowered it with some effort.
Frieza took a large Hakai from Toppo, got completely overpowered, and got pretty messed up.
Power seems to largely equate into durability in Dragonball. If someone can kick away a ball, they are not only more powerful than the ball, but they're likely powerful enough to tank it. We saw Frieza kick away a blast from Vegeta easily. We saw Frieza try and stop a blast from Goku and got his hands burnt.
If a bunch of characters weren't powerful enough to withstand touching the ball, I'd imagine they'd be instantly destroyed or promptly consumed though. They obviously wouldn't feel the full power as they weren't even strong enough to withstand it for a second. With someone like Kid Buu though, he was powerful enough to match the power coming at him. And that's what was portrayed.
And if a power is a struggle that eventually consumes you in a theoretical example, then that powerball is above your max power ever so gently and would likely mess you up pretty bad.
What I'm calling moronic is your comparison of ki blasts to nuclear weapons and other bombs. Had you simply made the surface area argument from the start I would have agreed.
Ki blasts, beams, etc... don't generate energy through some sort of reaction like a bomb does. Rather they have all that energy from the start.
That is what I endorsed. And the opposite of that, is what I called moronic.
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Even contrasting it with a sun vs a nova wouldn't be accurate as it also goes through some massive changes to reach that state. A ball just goes kaboomo more often that not. Does this kablowy make it more kadangerous than being trapped in the middle of it? Is it infinitely more powerful now?
Hell, Goku absorbed the energy of the spirit bomb that exploded. How did he absorb the full energy of an explosion? If a nuclear warhead explodes you can't absorb the full force!
It could be energy cocks for all I care. Same principal applies either way.
Ki attacks do not just gain mass amounts of energy out of nowhere when they detonate... It's hysterically foolish to pretend like they do.
If an energy blast/beam/ball detonates, it simply releases the specific amount of power/ki that was placed in it from the start. Nothing more; nothing less.
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I typed up a line-by-line response but I think it's more helpful for me to do a quick run-through. Let me know if I missed anything important:
The question here is whether Goku kicking away a "planet-busting" attack is an overhyped description. I'm saying it doesn't suggest planet-busting level durability and that it's difficult to scale to Goku's physical strength because we don't know how the collateral damage converts to the momentum of the ball (are you suggesting his kick if not magically focused would crack a planet or something?). Of course, we know that SSJ Goku on Namek can planet bust so if the feat is meant to suggest that, it's not very special, unless, again, if you think his kick is actually "planet busting" which is absurd.
1. When the ball detonates, the energy comes rushing out at high velocities similar to an explosive. We don't know exactly how the internal dynamics work but it seems plausible that the rapid expansion of ki is deadlier than the ki being contained and moving slowly towards you in a ball.
2. People struck by energy balls suffer the most damage when the balls either explode or engulf them, but they clearly can hold them off with their hands for a time without being able to tank getting engulfed by them.
3. When you stop the energy ball, you're only contacting a small fraction of its surface area, so it's unclear why this would compare to actually tanking its detonation. If it doesn't, then trying to equate it to the "planet busting" of the entire ball is inaccurate.
4. It isn't clear that every random attack by 4th form Frieza is planet busting because we actually don't know how well a planet-busting charged up attack from, say, 18,000 Vegeta compares. The only way to draw a comparison is to say Goku won the beam struggle, but notice how circular the logic is - it assumes that we can equate the struggle with the explosion when that's the question we're asking! We don't have precedent to my knowledge pre-Cell of someone tanking the direct detonation of a planet buster (Frieza survives the delayed explosion of Namek but he doesn't get hit by the attack directly).
5. If tanking the blast were as easy as kicking it away people wouldn't be as eager to try to get rid of the blasts via deflection instead of tanking them.
6. How is it even coherent to convert the energy of the ball's contents that expand omnidirectionally with its momentum/kinetic energy/inertia/ki-pseudophysics equivalent? What does it mean to say Goku kicked the ball away? That his kicks can planet bust? That he can block all planet busters with his kicks, even those from a character with completely separate kinds of attacks?
I would also need a citation for the Planet Vegeta two explosions claim.
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Okay, so either you're just a troll, or you're actually retarded.
1. Goku's kick can be well above planet busting at this point. His punches in BoG's are universe busting, so..? He could easily destroy a planet with a kick, if said kick can easily overpower a planet level energy.
2. Your entire argument relies on the sole premise that energy balls are somehow different from beams, in that they somehow contain residual energy which is inactive. This premise is obviously false, to anyone with more than one brain cell, as the energy balls are not housed in anything but more energy, you pleb. These are not bombs we're dealing with, they are massive concentrations of energy. If said energy can planet bust, it means it is a concentrated explosion with a yield of over 11 quadrillion megatons of force. Beams are the exact same, and Goku has batted away those with ease as well.
3. You realize Goku, even on Namek, has tanked explosions far more potent that planet busting, right?
4. Um... Frieza survived a planet exploding with him on it, with no more damage than he had already been dealt with his fight against Goku. That is a total force of over 110 quadrillion megatons. Not sure what you're suggesting here. Also, ki attacks work the same throughout the entire series. Raditz tanked a full power blast from Piccolo, when same blast was used to effortlessly destroy the moon. Raditz had well over moon level durability. Not to mention strength, because he tanked it without even flinching or moving from his original spot. Meaning that a moon busting force wasn't even enough to push him, therefor his overall strength is above moon busting. Not sure what it is you don't understand here. Basic science, physics, and logic, apparently.
5. Um, unless there are people around, the blast could destroy a large area, it shows how much stronger they are than the person using the blast, it has dramatic effect, letting a blast land could leave them open to other attacks, etc? It's a fighting series. The person batting a blast away can be doing so for almost any reason, that doesn't mean it's somehow not an impressive feat to knock away an energy blast that can destroy the planet.
6. Your argument is questioning basic physics. I'm not going to spend hours imparting basic knowledge upon you, but just know you're wrong. Literally, these are not bombs, housing chemicals that can explode hard enough to planet bust. They are condensed forms of raw energy that have planet busting potential. This LITERALLY means that they are ki-controlled to be a certain size/shape, until the user no longer wills them to. The force is the exact same, possibly even greater when small because of the sheer amount of condensing applied to the energy.
Anyways, I only need one feat to prove that Goku's strikes on Namek were planet level+
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Remember when he one-shot Recoome? Yeah, that same Recoome had just tanked an attack with WELL over planet busting potential, from a version of Vegeta who was MUCH stronger than the Vegeta who could planet bust with a Galic gun.
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Keep in mind, Recoome tanked this attack with little more than some damage to his outfit.
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An attack with WELL over planet busting force was no-sold by Recoome. A single strike from Goku was able to knock him out with ease. Meaning, Goku's strike > Planet busting force > 110 quadrillion megatons.
Also, Goku's base form power level went from around 80,000, to 3,000,000 from this point, to the point where taking Goku from to fight Hal.
Goku (Frieza fight) >>>>> Goku (Recoome fight) > Planet busting force > 110 quadrillion megatons
Keep in mind that's just his strikes. Now do you understand? Goku would literally one-shot Hal.
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It doesn't matter what I think it is, what matters is the statement is entirely accurate. Maybe it's overhyped, maybe it isn't. But it's accurate.
Also, you did miss stuff, naturally, but whatever you want to turn this into doesn't matter.
And no, I don't care if he can crack a planet with a kick or not, what I think is that he can absolutely kick a planet destroying attack away. Which he did. And this goes to answer how collateral damage differs. Just because something is more powerful, doesn't mean the scope is the same. The bare minimum of destroying a planet carries less power within it than Goku's foot. That doesn't mean Goku can kick a planet in half, that means that if he faces a planet destroying attack he can overpower it.
Again, which is why I say collateral damage past the Saiyan saga is meaningless. Because almost every attack carries more damage capabilities than the bare minimum requirements of destroying a planet. Simple.
And you could make the same argument that a bunch of energy spreading outwards in a perfect sphere would lose a lot of stopping power were you outside the middle. Was this not your prior argument with surface area being hugely important? If I am being hit by the explosion of an attack that just touches me, why would I feel the full force?
Now that changes of course when you change the location of the target, but the end result is the same. You can play semantics and downgrade or upgrade any attack depending on factors, but the actual intention is that the attack no matter what it does carries the destructive power. Otherwise, you'd kind of think anywhere in the many mangas, the many episodes, the many movies, and the non canon series that they'd mention that attacks that explode are only dangerous when they explode, or that they gain some infinite upgrade.
Also, the rapid expansion of Ki also means it loses the density of a massive energy ball, and thus, isn't as focused into one area. Things can be argued or looked at of course, but what can also be looked at is assuming overpowering a powerful attack means you output more power than that attack.
Like I said before, it's a power game. I even gave examples. If they get engulfed, they got overpowered, why would they not be hurt? And they get engulfed because the energy moves forward into them.
Anytime an energy ball engulfs and explodes on someone, it was more powerful. Even if an equal attack were to engulf someone, it would likely do some serious damage, though I can't even think of one instance there. The closest would be surprise attacks where they were either unsuspecting, or they were so above the attack they overpowered it anyway.
You're naturally thinking of Kid Buu, while ignoring Goku going SS and blasting the piss out of it.
But the argument wasn't about durability (though again, it seems interchangeable). The argument was about raw power. And if someone is powerful enough to push away an attack, then they are more powerful than it. Unless that attack is specifically The Big Bomb that Explodes Boom Boom Bang Explosions, then it holds firm.
It doesn't matter if they don't get engulfed. They are literally powerful enough to not get engulfed by the massive energy ball. And the massive energy ball hurts.
That's perfectly fine. Problem is you're still fighting the full power of it when you stop it. The planet destroying attack has less power than you.
The ball doesn't split off into other little balls to fight you with even mass. The entire energy of the ball is in your face ready to **** you up. All of the energy is behind what you're touching, ie, touching a finger to the blast still has the the entire ball pushing it's energy at you.
Well, 4th form Frieza was hundreds of times more powerful, as was Vegeta quite a bit higher.
Many of times less powerful Vegeta survived a beam more powerful than his planet destroying Galick Gun. He died however against Frieza when he was way more powerful. http://i68.tinypic.com/2iu474o.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/1t0sco.jpg
We also saw Vegeta get put down by Zarbon and Recoome. When he specifically didn't get put down by an attack more powerful than his planet destroying galick gun. We also saw Vegeta easily kill a being as powerful as he was when he went to Earth while he was at 24000. To assume Frieza who we'll assume is three million couldn't casually kill Vegeta with any blast is dishonest. Especially when we have Vegeta one shotting Kiwi (he punched him before hand once) http://i63.tinypic.com/2vifqeh.jpg
To think 1st form Frieza couldn't casually kill a Vegeta who can tank a planet destroying level blast is dishonest. Let alone 4th form. That's not to say every attack would destroy a planet, just that every attack would kill Vegeta. Which goes back to my earlier point that it stops turning into collateral damage, and more about power.
Are you trying to use the cut in half Frieza, who got blasted by Goku hard, and then had a planet destroying on top of him to try and prove he couldn't take the impact of a planet destroying attack EXPLODING on him? So if first form Frieza - who is hundreds of times less powerful than 100 percent Frieza - blasts 100 percent Frieza with the Saiyan destroyer, we simply would not know what would happen because we haven't seen EXPLOSION!? Really, come on.
Well... that's a misread.
What kicking away, or backhanding away proves is that these attacks are so beneath their notice that they don't have to actually exert themselves to take or stop the attack.
You cannot kick away any attack. What you can do is kick away attacks way beneath your power. And why take the chance it does something to you when you can show your opponent that their attack is way below you?
It means he can kick away planet busters from the level he encountered them.
It means he can likely overpower any attack Frieza could possibly throw no matter if it was intended to be planet busting or not.
I already gave them, though there is no Manga showing, I was just using that to show I looked into it as well as others to form an opinion on it.
But here, here's from I believe Dragonball Kai, which is supposed to be no filler.
Here is a guy who doesn't understand the inverse square law and thinks an object's internal energy is equivalent to its kinetic energy trying to condescendingly lecture me on "basic physics".
Let me spell this out for you:
The amount of energy the ball has, by the "basic physics" you've hilariously appealed to, is not equivalent to either:
1. How difficult it is to kick away, or
2. How deadly it is on contact.
Example: I could take a ball of iron and superheat it to incredibly high temperatures, thus greatly enhancing its internal energy. However:
1. The ball does not take any more force to accelerate (within classical mechanics), and
2. If I get a crane to touch the ball, it does not immediately get all of the internal energy of the ball transferred to it.
Please, please stop butchering concepts you have no understanding of while running around pontificating about your non-existent qualifications. It's cringe.
Once again you just verbosely restate your position as "proof" of itself. You're welcome to explain:
- why the detonating ball causes rapid environmental destruction it doesn't do pre-detonation
- why fighters who cannot withstand the detonation or engulfment can temporarily resist it pre-detonation
- why fighters would bother deflecting the ball at all if it's just as deadly on initial contact as on detonation
- why the energy of the ki when it rapidly expands outwards on detonation somehow maps perfectly onto its momentum/inertia/kinetic energy when it's moving forward as a ball
- why touching a small fraction of the surface area of the ball somehow equates to dealing with all of the energy yourself
Ki exploding really quickly outwards may be much deadlier than ki moving slowly in a contained ball. Not sure where it's obviously false for anyone with, in your words, "brain cells".
AHAHAAHAAHAH!!!!
"Basic physics" would tell us that Frieza only tanks the proportion of the explosion that hits his human sized cross-sectional area, not all the energy of the explosion. That would, from a back of an envelope calculation, be about one in several hundred trillionth of the actual explosion. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, lmao.
...what? Nobody is around when SSJ Goku and Frieza fought, lol. And no, saying it's "dramatic effect" when we consistently see exploding and consuming blasts do more damage than ones that hit fighters' hands isn't a coherent rebuttal. Try again.
The rest of your post is just a self-parodying collection of circular arguments that are all based on your conclusion already being true.
Yep, you just got owned, Master-of-basic-physics boy.
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@One Big Mob I'll get to your (better) post as well.
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I take back what I said before. It's clear to me that you're not just a troll, you're either simply retarded, or you just can't read.
1. Being at the epicenter of an explosion as it's expanding outwards = tanking the full force of the attack. Energy transfers, dude. It's not as if tanking a planet exploding is somehow going to make all the energy go into you, and stay there. It goes through you, as a conductor. That still means you tanked the initial force of a planetary explosion, which is quadrillions of megatons of force, you ****ing half-wit.
2. A ball of energy has no innate energy or force. It is both energy AND force. That's like if you condensed the sun into a baseball, and claim that throwing it at someone won't hurt them, simply because it hasn't exploded. Your argument is totally non-sensical.
3. You're an idiot, so you probably haven't realized this, but based on your argument about the "physics" of explosions vs. energy balls, your assertion is that batting away a condensed energy ball is batting away the TOTAL force of the explosion that the energy ball will make. Since the energy is all condensed, and your hand is swatting away the equivalent of the amount of force it comes into contact with, it means you're swatting away even MORE percentage of a planetary force. Your own "logic" disproves itself, because you're "logic" is illogical. Because you're stupid.
4. Everything else you just said, I already addressed in my previous post. Nothing you've just restated from your original argument changes/disproves/or even challenges, anything I've posted. Not to mention that none of what you just said changes the fact that Goku on Namek >>>>>>>>>> Hal Jordan, because you're too stupid to present an argument that isn't based on trying to prove me wrong. You're so pathetic at this point, that it's not even worth continuing to argue. Everyone on here can see how much of a fool you are, that it's comparable to beating a dead horse at this point.
Now go ahead, restate everything you just said, and suggest that somehow I'm the idiot.
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Firstly, it's energy, not force, as the amount of force that was exerted on Frieza is practically impossible to gauge.
Secondly, the energy that went into blowing up Namek was dispersed over the entire surface area of the planet. Frieza would have had to deal with one in several hundred trillionth of it. Frieza wasn't at the epicenter of the blast. Namek's core was detonating, which was several thousand kilometers away from Frieza, who was on the surface. The surface of the planet wasn't the actual energy source lmfao (and even if it was, the same point about the energy being dispersed would apply).
You take the L, again.
I can tell why you were repeatedly bringing up "basic" physics - it started going over your head in the 9th grade.
A ball cannot "be" force because force is an interaction, not a physical object. The force exerted by the ball on, say, Goku is equal to the ball's mass divided by its acceleration (and dealing with other forces in the system). It has nothing directly to do with its explosive power.
Likewise, to stop the ball Goku has to apply sufficient force on it over enough time to cancel its momentum (and, equivalently, enough distance to cancel out its kinetic energy).
It has nothing to do with how powerful the ball could be. The closest thing to an argument here that approaches comprehensible is that you can estimate the ball's mass-energy equivalence, but then you'd find that its mass is FAR less impressive than its contained energy. You can move around a nuclear bomb far more easily than you can survive it exploding in front of you.
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If you threw the sun at someone, the difficulty of stopping it (aside from dealing with its temperature and huge gravitational gradient from being condensed into what would become a singularity due to a sun-massed object's schwarzschild radius) would be a function of its MASS and relative VELOCITY, not the fact that it outputs 10^26 watts. If you tried to argue that Goku stopping the sun means that he must be able to "tank" a supernova, you would indeed be wrong.
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
No, that's not how physics works. (And you brought in physics BTW, not me - though you were obviously bluffing your knowledge of it)
Goku is not swatting away the "force" of the explosion, he's deccelerating an object of a particular mass. Though the mass and energy of an object would be related, the former is much less practically impressive than the latter.
E.g. one kilogram of antimatter annihilating would look like a multi-megaton nuclear explosion.
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Where did I say that Goku wins or loses this fight? I was just pointing out a bad argument, and now I'm pointing out that you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about and are pulling sh*t out of your ass in a truly cringe-master manner. BTW, you never responded to my point about characters clearly surviving longer by putting their hands out against energy balls than having them explode in their face.
Can you be honest and admit that your initial round of flames and insults was predicated on trying to bluff your way through physics you had literally no understanding of past middle school?
- you don't know the difference between force and energy
- you think an object can be "pure force"
- you think batting away an object that can on exploding bust a planet means you deal with "a planetary force"
- you think Frieza being on the surface of Namek means he is at the "epicenter" of an explosion...that started in the planet core
This is just hilarious.
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I shouldn't even bother to attempt imparting upon you, the basic amount of simple, conceptual knowledge which I'm about to, but I've been stubborn about worse.
The malodorous pile of nonsense that you just spewed from you keyboard under the guise of an "argument" is literally one of the most incoherent things I've ever been plagued to sit through and read.
1. Force is not an interaction. Force is the measure of a push or pull, gauged by newtons, which can be quantified by the potential energy required to exert said force.
I did not assert that force and energy were the same. I pointed out that the energy bombs in DB are condensed constructs of raw energy, which exert a force. They are raw energy, and they contain a force capable of destroying entire planets. THIS MEANS THEY ARE OVER 110 QUADRILLION MEGATONS OF EXPLOSIVE FORCE, CONDENSED INTO A SINGLE SPHERE/BEAM/BLAST OF RAW ENERGY. This leads to number 2.
2. Your assumptions rely ENTIRELY on the premise that these ki blasts/bombs/spheres are physical, tangible objects with mass, that can be interacted with as such. This is not the case. When individuals who lack the ability to control ki interact with these attacks, they are vaporized. Even beings with the ability to control ki cannot escape this fate unless they are stronger than said energy. Meaning that they need to exert a force, through their potential energy, GREATER than that of a planet ending explosion.
3. I already know your reply to #2. "Well, the explosion is planet busting, but that doesn't mean the ball is-" WRONG. These are not BOMBS by your real-world understanding of BOMBS. THESE ARE SPHERES OF RAW ENERGY, WHICH CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM CONCUSSIVE, TO EXPLOSIVE, TO MAGIC, ETC. These characters are NOT THROWING NUKES AT EACH OTHER. THEY ARE SHOOTING PROJECTIONS OF RAW ENERGY- I.E. THEY ARE SHOOTING A CONDENSED EXPLOSION. THE DETONATION OF SAID ATTACKS IS NOTHING OTHER THAN THEIR EXPANSION- LEADING TO DISSIPATION.
4. Not all of these attacks that can end planets explode with a viscosity capable of ENVELOPING a planet. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE CONDENSED CONCENTRATIONS OF ENERGY, NOT BOMBS
5. The idiotic argument you just mentioned, about the characters holding off energy attacks instead of letting them blow up in their face? Well, gee, I don't know, MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S PREFERABLE TO HAVE ENERGY SCORCH YOUR HANDS, THAN IT IS TO HAVE IT SLAM INTO/VAPORIZE YOUR FACE. That's like saying, "Oh, why do people cover their faces with their hands when getting beaten up? Clearly this means they can catch the hits, so why even be scared of them?"- WHEN IT'S NATURAL SELECTION THAT CAUSES BIPEDS TO PROTECT THEIR HEADS/BRAINS- THAT SIMPLE.
6. Frieza was at the epicenter of energy blasts far more powerful than the one he used to planet bust- yet remained unscathed. Only attacks from SSJ Goku were able to hurt him in final form, barring Goku's KK X20 Kamehameha wave that barely singed his hand. That blast alone was THOUSANDS of times stronger than planet busting attacks used by characters weaker than him, yet Frieza INTENTIONALLY used his hand to block it, even before it exploded- covering more than just his entire body.
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Here, you can see Frieza OVERPOWERING a force of WELL OVER 110 QUADRILLION MEGATONS OF FORCE, even while CONDENSED. The amount of density before it explodes just shows even more proof of my assertion- THAT THE BLASTS ARE EVEN STRONGER BEFORE THEY EXPAND/EXPLODE. They are dense explosions of sheer energy, concentrated into small areas to magnify their power. That is literally the entire premise of MULTIPLE attacks within the series- the kienzan, makkankosappo, death beam, etc. A beam/blast/ball of energy that is more dense will do MORE damage than a blast that just erupts on a massive AOE. Of course, it all depends on how strong the blaster is, how much strength they're using, and what they're trying to accomplish with the attack.
Regardless, Frieza operating at 50% was capable of one-handing a blast capable of destroying planets hundreds of times over, and 100% of the force behind said attack/explosion. It was aimed at Frieza, and he caught it, before tanking the explosion with less damage than was done to his hand.
You are overthinking this, completely. It is very simple. Character blocks planet buster, character blocks planet busting force.
It should not be this difficult for you to understand, even if you're actually mentally challenge.
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Gogeta, be honest with me here: where did you learn your physics from? Why are you still trying to bluff your way through this when it's obvious that I see through it? Do you have any idea how utterly clueless and cringey you sound like?
You commit so many hilarious blunders in your post (e.g. "Force is the measure of a push or pull, gauged by newtons, which can be quantified by the potential energy required to exert said force." ), but since you are obviously incapable of quoting things properly, it would be more productive to break things down for you in a way you can hopefully understand:
1. Nothing can "contain" a force - that is literally incoherent. The energy ball may exert forces on its surroundings that range from zero to infinity (with a few simplifications) depending on the context.
2. Whether the ball is made of "raw energy" is irrelevant - the formulas still work for "pure energy" like light as well:
Force = Mass x Acceleration
Rearranging some things:
Work [a type of energy transfer] = Line integral of (Force * Displacement)
Let's say that Goku contacts the energy ball and stops it with no anchor/external forces/etc. Then, with a few simplifications, we can use:
Total work (e.g. energy transfer) done by Goku = 1/2 * Mass-energy of energy ball * its velocity squared
(This is assuming that the "energy" Goku imparts on the ball is meaningful when we should care more about the force, but whatever)
So the relevant variables here are:
1. Mass of the ball.
2. The velocity of the ball.
The latter is pretty unimpressive so we look to its mass - which, before you freak out, includes its energy (e.g. "mass-energy"). Now if the ball followed standard mass-energy equivalences it would look like:
M = E / c^2
Where E is the energy and c is the speed of light.
Now, I'll leave this to you to try to figure out. You're welcome to either PM me or post the results of your calc's.
Circular logic.
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Feb 16th, 2018 03:07 AM
So the issue is reading comprehension, then? The relevant part of the claim Galan was trying to prove:
So you agree with what Galan was contesting but then endorsed his contestation and called what you apparently agree with moronic?
), but since you are obviously incapable of quoting things properly, it would be more productive to break things down for you in a way you can hopefully understand:
