EDIT: well Ant just inserted a bunch of edits so I'll address them in a following post
Since when does your own argument history suggest that any time you claim that feat X is better than what we've seen from character Y, you always have a set of perfect side-by-side, perfectly analogous comparisons to work with? And there are lots of ways to establish points of reference that I don't necessarily do in a numbered summary, like noting lower bounds on the energy / momentum needed to bend lightsaber blades given things that lightsabers have successfully deflected (like small turbolasers and, lmao, Vitiate's lightning).
It seems like you're trying unsuccessfully to backpeddle into salvaging a valid point from your bad reading of my post.
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1. More combat relevant
2. Not accomplished via ritual
3. Kun's senate freezing is frankly less impressive than, say, pre-Nathema Vitiate's ritual, and pre-Nathema Vitiate scales below Plagueis.
Citation needed
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Your original post, i.e. "something far beyond anything Kun has accomplished," indicates to me you already have easy comparisons to be made.
Why else would you make the claim otherwise?
I mocked the idea because something like bending lightsaber blades would be incredibly different to quantify, especially with Kun.
I can't help but think you just eyeballed it, said "**** it," included it, and are now saving face.
Then there's this monstrosity, which is frankly just laughable.
So, we have the first point: Sidious' bending of a lightsaber is more impressive than Kun's freezing of millions (?) of people because it's more "combat relevant," neglecting that Force stasis is a combat-applicable power that Sith like Darth Malak integrate into their main attack patterns. The second point is factually (go and check) baseless, and the third is such a loosely connected comparison and ignorant of almost every imaginable circumstance that I almost had to call my favorite African tribe to start the sacrifices.
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"Furthermore, the damaged one demonstrated a potent kind of shield when Shigar got too close. It crossed two limbs into an X and created a short-lived circular electromirror that bent his lightsaber back into a V, almost taking off his arm in the process."
Credit to DC.
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Of course it's not quantifiable to you because your technical knowledge is basically non-existent. Lightsabers have been tested against numerous properties and physical impacts so we actually have a huge amount of data to work with. We know, pending bizarre mechanics that aren't implied anywhere, that bending lightsaber blades must be more difficult than cutting mando iron. Can you figure out why?
Not that you need to know basic physics to observe that beings more powerful than Exar like Vitiate have launched lightning at lightsaber blades without bending them. <- tbh maybe I should've just posted this because it ends the discussion right there.
LMAO @ calling this unquantifiable but then bringing up Exar's senate feat and making arguments elsewhere about astronomically vaguer demonstrations, such as pseudo-metaphysics about how willing yourself from the dead must be more impressive than willing yourself from not dying in the first place.
A specialized "kind of" shield (given that it that bends the blade but doesn't bend anything else) that could've easily manipulated the lightsaber's generation of the containment field != Palpatine's lightning which bends the blade through its sheer force. It's almost certainly not analogous if it bends the blade into a "V", given that the blade's field appears to be symmetrical so a field that just bends the entire blade should bend it into a more continuous shape.
(I will gladly concede that Nathema isn't more impressive than freezing a bunch of non-Force sensitives though. Kind of kills your wanking to Revan getting inspired by it for the Thought Bomb or whatever.)
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Sidious' full power of his Force lightning bends Windu's lightsabre but does not blast him into a charred husk or entirely demolished? Something is fishy here. Either the 'bent' part in ROTS doesn't mean a literal bent and Sidious' lightning was only putting pressure on Windu's lightsabre(trying to disarm him and getting rid off the lightsabre) or this bending feat can be achieved by anyone if they continously assault someone with Force lightning. There is a difference between a lightning attack that one-shots your lightsabre or one that continously blasts your lightsabre. In the second case, the intensity and the tension is built up.
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Except for the fact that Windu received the full power of Sidious' blast and he didn't have any means to defend himself. It has nothing to do with Vaapad.
So, it's one of two cases.
But if you put Windu and Sidious on the same piedestal, I don't have any problem with it.
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Exar Kun froze the Senate.
But Palpatine is also a Senate.
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