I actually hadn't finished posting.
I mistakenly thought no one save for Dark Saint would be posting in reply to this thread today, and so didn't bother to hurry my response. In answer to your questions, direct AND implied however:
Although I found Clayface having strength enough to have launched this truck in the air impressive, and am now
a) wondering if this is Clayface's standard strength level
and
b) wondering how Batman survived him in the past if it was
I don't think that by itself would be enough to fully occupy forum Superman.
Spider-Man, Thing, and even the Rhino, yes, but not necessarily forum Superman.
And I can certainly see where you might consider the apparent bare physical overpowering of Wonder Woman as pis. However, what I'm saying is not that Clayface at THAT level is the forum Superman threat, but Clayface after THIS point:
Despite the mental gymnastics and ignoring you do to justify otherwise, Supergirl was not stronger than Superman. On top of that, Clayface seems to be saying he has real Kryptonite in one of the last few scans you posted. So using a weaker Kryptonian fighting Clayface arguably with Kryptonite proves what?
Even ignoring that Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman (even you don't argue in regards to the time frame Clayface facing Diana happened), and has options for dealing with Clayface that Wonder Woman lacks, this example is highly questionable for Clayface against anybody but Wonder Woman. He somehow removed clay from her, gaining powers, in the scene you posted, but left that part out.
Did you actually read the storyline? Clayface didn't have all of Diana's power(and even a full powered Wonder Woman is<<Superman) and Wonder Woman got her power back by the end. Clayface had her power for all of an issue and a half or so.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
I see you got caught by the same time-posting mechanics as me.
Your post came exactly 1 minute after I'd begun explaining how the magic boost is what makes Clayface in this arc forum-Superman worthy, not Clayface under normal conditions.
You posted him containing her first, leaving out where he took her powers. That coupled with the Supergirl fight certainly looks like you were arguing Clayface is just that powerful. Why even post the scans of Clayface containing her then later the power stealing?
But even if the OP intended a very specific time for Clayface in a two issue storyline, he didn't have Wonder Woman's full power, who's inferior to Superman anyways without counting things like heat vision or freeze breath. And I predict how you'll reply to freeze breath.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
1. We might have to agree on posting timetables if this keeps up.
We keep tripping over each other.
2. I actually read the storyline. I'm not sure you did, because Diana comments that Clayface seems more powerful than JUST taking a portion of Diana's power should have made him.
Note Clayface's WW160 flashtrans as Zeus.
The discussion in WW161 expands on what that might mean.
3. Yes, Clayface had his extra power for an issue and a half or so.
That's why I suggested to the original poster of this thread that he make a SCENARIO matchup, and not a standard one.
Also, to go with #3, you are mistaken about Supergirl. Superman in the same situation would not have even GOTTEN to Clayface. Notice as I repost the rest of the answer to this point that Supergirl successfully resisted Poison Ivy's SYNTHETIC kryptonite attack ALONG with whatever radiation Clayface was kicking out. Superman was brought under Ivy's control with Synth-K all by itself.
Diana has taken hits from Zoom, from an enrage Superman, has blocked a universal shards that were moving at light speed form the scattered God.
Yet Clay face give her trouble?
Don’t get me wrong, I know for story sakes, character can be as strong, or as weak as the author desires. But we as readers, but more specifically in a forum fight sees things differently.
The problem is not Clayface using Thing-level attacks against Wondy.
The problem is that his clay form is able to interact with her clay form and adopt the magic properties of her clay. To essentially replace Wonder Woman as a vessel for her Pantheon's power and then some.
Again, a pis story that the author had not idea about how to write. Or he knew nothing about Diana.
How does a make since for Clayface to interact and absorbs the Clay? The clay was bless by Skyfather beings. So Clayface, a mere human with chemical induce powers is able to overwrite Zeus’s powers?
Notice that Diana's power waxes and wanes depending on proximity to her Pantheon here. In other stories the amount of prayer they and she receive is the lynchpin. Here, not only Diana but ALL the Amazons find themselves devolving, and that WITHOUT someone like Basil trying to help that process along.
The mechanics we see in this Clayface arc have precedent.
Lamentable how slow these boards are from their heyday a decade or so ago.
Even the people posting these threads don't bother to check on them.
Small wonder posters like DarkSaint have taken to personally requesting member participation.
Incidentally, I think D.S. Is right -- the OP likely is curious to know how we think Young Justice show's Clayface would fare against YJ Superman, in the arguably mistaken belief that the animated show characters are of similar prowess to their paper book counterparts.
I did notice one thing of interest, though ...
From Wikipedia:
In earlier appearances, Basil Karlo had no powers, but wore a clay mask based on one of his movie roles. In recent comics, Basil Karlo's body is made out of mud upon taking the DNA of Clayface III and IV, enabling him to gain the combined powers of both. In The New 52, these are improved to a level in which he can mimic the DNA of others.
I don't think I've ever read a full bluewater post to completion. Not even a joke either. Sometimes I catch tidbits like Luciferian and serpents, but I don't think it's ever happened.
Hell of a poster though.
Clayface is incredibly strong and durable in his own right, as seen above, I just think Batman has the right tools to deal with him, and that brute strength is the wrong way to go about killing him.
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Feb 15th, 2018 09:41 PM
Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
Thanks Scribble!
