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I actually agree with him in the sense that the countries that have failed these people need to find solutions to help them, and that immigrating to other better countries is not really a long term solution for most of t hem. That said, he did not "prove" anything. He made a reasonable argument with an effective, though questionably accurate, visual aide. But no proof.


He proved that mass immigration into the US cannot put a dent in world poverty, the proof is, We been doing it this whole time, and havent put a dent in it. The proof is we are living it.


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Depends what you would consider a dent, I guess.

It might make a very small dent. But ultimately it won't solve the problem as a whole. It will help those who come here, though.


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So the US can solve world poverty based on?


Again, what's the guy arguing for? It seems pretty clear he's against immigration to the US, and then very loosely ties it to economic conditions in the immigrants' home countries, as if that were ever a major focal point in the immigration debate.

The entire presentation was an oversimplistic way of getting idiots to agree with his stance on immigration, and reinforce the beliefs of the idiots who already agree with it.

Representing people with gumballs, for ****'s sake...and representing different regions of the world with jars of equal size when each region is vastly different from the other in terms of agriculture, commerce, infrastructure, total land area vs. population, etc.


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FFS, he had gumballs, you can't counter that.


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Depends what you would consider a dent, I guess.

It might make a very small dent. But ultimately it won't solve the problem as a whole. It will help those who come here, though.


And how will it help the people that are already here competing for the same jobs, qualifying for the same social programs, and government assistance, the people that have been here, not just got here cause well "I deserve to be in America."


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And how will it help the people that are already here competing for the same jobs, qualifying for the same social programs, and government assistance, the people that have been here, not just got here cause well "I deserve to be in America."


Still better than the place they're originating. Thus helping.


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FFS, he had gumballs, you can't counter that.


The gumbballs were representative of the numbers currently in use in immigration statistics. You hate visual aids I guess cause they smack you hard with reality?


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Still better than the place they're originating. Thus helping.


Helping a small fraction of people of worlds populace, but hurting the vatly more people here based on our size vs the world, sounds like a good idea to you?


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Can he prove himself right?


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Helping a small fraction of people of worlds populace, but hurting the vatly more people here based on our size vs the world, sounds like a good idea to you?


No, that's not what I said. I am not in favor of open borders and not against strong immigration laws.


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No, that's not what I said. I am not in favor of open borders and not against strong immigration laws.


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Still better than the place they're originating. Thus helping.


But you said its helping those people, but while helping those people it hurts others.

Helping some to hurt others isnt a solution.


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But you said its helping those people, but while helping those people it hurts others.

Helping some to hurt others isnt a solution.


Who is being hurt in this scenario? The "hurt" is what, more competition for a job?

That's still a much better situation compared to the country they came from. So both people are still be helped overall.


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So you like the idea of bringing people here from other countries to take the job of the people that are already here struggling to find them?

So the illegal who works in the fields, takes care of peoples kids, cleans table etc now needs to compete with the people that just showed up cause we cant control our borders or reduce who we let in?

If you stand in line at a store to buy someone, and someone cuts in, what do you do, just ignore it?


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So you like the idea of bringing people here from other countries to take the job of the people that are already here struggling to find them?


If the choice is them being here creating a slightly more competitive low wage job market, or leaving them to starve and die, I will take the more competitive low wage job market.

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So the illegal who works in the fields, takes care of peoples kids, cleans table etc now needs to compete with the people that just showed up cause we cant control our borders or reduce who we let in?


Are you actually concerned about the job market of illegal immigrants? If one illegal immigrant takes the job of another illegal immigrant, why does that concern you. In both cases, an illegal immigrant has a job. One is no more deserving than the other.

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If you stand in line at a store to buy someone, and someone cuts in, what do you do, just ignore it?


No I ask them to move to the back of the line.


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So you like the idea of bringing people here from other countries to take the job of the people that are already here struggling to find them?

So the illegal who works in the fields, takes care of peoples kids, cleans table etc now needs to compete with the people that just showed up cause we cant control our borders or reduce who we let in?

If you stand in line at a store to buy someone, and someone cuts in, what do you do, just ignore it?


More people living here would cause a greater demand for goods and services, which creates the need for more jobs.

What's the problem then?


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Just because you say that, doesnt mean its true, I mean you do realize that right?


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If the choice is them being here creating a slightly more competitive low wage job market, or leaving them to starve and die, I will take the more competitive low wage job market.



Are you actually concerned about the job market of illegal immigrants? If one illegal immigrant takes the job of another illegal immigrant, why does that concern you. In both cases, an illegal immigrant has a job. One is no more deserving than the other.



No I ask them to move to the back of the line.


So if you ask them to move to the back of the line, why cant the people that just got here move to the back of the line, so the people waiting in line to do it legally get priority? They were here first.


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Just because you say that, doesnt mean its true, I mean you do realize that right?


Are you suggesting that increased demand does not force businesses to create new jobs and start hiring?

Were you also one of the idiots who believed that tax reform would create more jobs simply because business owners would have more money?


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So if you ask them to move to the back of the line, why cant the people that just got here move to the back of the line, so the people waiting in line to do it legally get priority? They were here first.


They should. As I said, I am not in favor of illegal immigration or open borders.


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