I didn't mean she's the only one, but yeah, they're fringe when you factor in the what 70ish % of the country that didn't vote for Trump. Most non Trumpers aren't out yelling "genocide" and such in regards to Trump
Sadly enough, the anti-Trump movement isn't as together in same-thought, like an ant colony, as Trumpers are with their unbending devotion to the orangutan lord.
edit: I see you edited and added a bit more at the end, fully agree
Wholy Crap, this is just disingenuous. If you want to say 70% of the country didnt vote for Trump, Guess what the % is that didnt vote for hillary, considering she got what 2.8 million more votes?
"In the final count, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes. According to the independent, non-partisan Cook Political Report, Clinton's final tally came in at 65,844,610, compared to Donald Trump's 62,979,636, with a difference of 2,864,974."
You can't really just throw out the 70% number like that cause a lot of people didn't vote and their inclusion creates a disproportionate view of the pool you're drawing from, who knows which way they'd have leaned if someone held a gun to their head and forced them to vote. That has nothing directly to do with what we're discussing, it's just something I was pointing out. "Fringe" is relative to the number of people who actually give a shit, you can't include those who possibly don't into the "majority".
And whether they actually believe it or not, they're still encouraging that inference by invoking Hitler. They didn't just pick that name out of a hat for their comparison, they did it deliberately because they consider him to be the worst of the worst and the fact is that it's in no way fitting.
And yeah, a whole lot of Trump supporters are messed up. I believe Bill Maher said it best when he said something to the effect of "If you make white people feel like minorities, they'll act like minorities". People who felt they were being treated unfairly by liberals at large are as loyal to him as many black people were to Obama, which means he can do no wrong in their eyes. I think an greater number of people though have been bombarded by so much anti Trump rhetoric from the get go(like the Hitler comparisons) that they just don't actually pay attention to anything new because it's just another day as far as they're concerned. Basically "the left" sounds like the teacher on Charlie Brown... "whaa whaa whaa, whaa whaa whaa whaa..."
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I can and I did though, because it's accurate to do so. Sure, probs a few million overall spread out. But when factoring the country as a whole, they're fringe.
I think Trump has around a 50% chance of winning. Think it's a mistake to count him out again, because we all know how that worked out last time. Think he probably is more likely to win a second term than he was to win a first term.
Of course it can all change in the next couple of years. Trump could get more popular and cruise to victory or he can completely crash and burn and lose in a landslide, really impossible to know at this point. I think most likely it'll be competitive and pretty close. A lot of it will have to do with if the people who don't like Trump actually get out and vote against him, or just say "eh, the dem isn't any better so **** them both" like a lot of people did last time.
Also a lot of it will depend on who runs against him. I think someone like Biden would probably win because he's well liked and not very offensive to people, he's not a fringe candidate and could get people from the middle. Where as someone like Lizzy Warren might have trouble getting to those people. Then of course it could be some insane wild card like The Rock or Oprah or something. 2020 is going to be absolutely nuts.
Yeah ok, let's be honest though, are the people who read huffpost going to just not vote for either of them? No, they'll vote for Biden because of how much they hate Trump. I don't think Biden has to worry about those people much.
Biden has to get the nom in a very crowded field of people who most likely will have multiple women who dont have the baggage he does of inappropriate girl touching. And he will be 80 years old, so all the people and media who complained about Trumps age of 70 will have to eat crow.
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How does Bidens touching advance the #metoo movement either?
Nah, Sanders numbers are still going strong. About a quarter to a third of Democratic primary voters already saying they will vote for him two years out, which is a pretty good bedrock of support. I also don't recall him playing the race card, and one of his strengths is that he generally sticks to bread and butter issues. However, I do think he will have a hard time against the Republican attack machine, especially as big money interests won't want him anywhere near the White House. There's also a lot of bitterness from the 2016 primary which could create another battle between him and traditional Democrats.
So the Democratic race is going to be a shit show. All its going to be is who can be more critical of Trump and then it will backfire on them being critical on each other. I dont possibly see how hard they pull it together. There are no Obamas left, regardless of his policies, he was a generational President, they wont strike gold twice in 16 years.
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Or the democratic primary will end with whoever panders most to the base winning and then failing to appeal to the nonbase in the general election.
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