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Obi-wan trained and taught Anakin almost everything he knew. He knew Anakins fighting technique more than anyone. Pretty much their whole fight Obi-Wan was on the defensive. And the high ground thing. Thats why Obi-Wan got the best of Anakin.


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Still they fought as virtual equals for the longest Saber fight in the saga.

Its too much of a difference between Obi-Wan vs Dooku and Obi-Wan vs Anakin to simply put down to Obi-Wan having trained Anakin.

Theres definitely a clash of styles there too. Obi-Wan IS a defensive fighter. And fights best like he did against Anakin. Against Dooku he was always on the offence.

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Savage Oppress is inferior? Assajj is inferior? Lol thats funny.



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The fact that in the end Obi Wan defeated Anakin and Anakin defeated Dooku.

That's why i said, if Obi Wan is as serious and focused as when he fought Anankin, then he should proof enough to win.

Also, this is ROTS Dooku, which is way weaker than CWs Dooku.


Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.

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Dooku wins by playing it smart, but the duo at their best could beat him.


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Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.



Obi-Wan is a defensive combatant though. So he will give ground, especially against a physically stronger opponent.

That point aside however, they fought as equals the entire time. And for the longest save fight in the saga.

So lets not pretend Kenobi was just running away the entire time, and that Anakin did not have the time to beat him or something.

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Qui Gon dies of a heart attack after taking 3 steps.


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As someone who hasn't read and/or watched hardly any of the CW and EU/Legends, but who is a more than casual Star Wars fan:

- Anakin's aggressive style was the rock to Dooku's scissors.
- Dooku's dueling style was the scissors to Obi-Wan's paper.
- Obi-Wan's defensive style was the paper to Anakin's rock.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

How does Qui-Gon stack up to Dooku in terms of style differences?

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Obi-Wan is a defensive combatant though. So he will give ground, especially against a physically stronger opponent.

That point aside however, they fought as equals the entire time. And for the longest save fight in the saga.

So lets not pretend Kenobi was just running away the entire time, and that Anakin did not have the time to beat him or something.


im not saying he ran away, i know hes a defensive fighter but look at the weariness on his face when they clash for the last time on that tiny skiff; Anakin was only getting stronger while Obi wan was running out of juice, the panic is written all over his face

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all instances where Dooku wasn't even trying with Kenobi in fact he was toying with him
I wonder how badass Dooku would be had he actually put effort into his fights.


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Anakin was only getting stronger


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He got so strong he couldn't even do a good Force Jump laughing out loud


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Really? Obi-Wan had the high ground. He caught Anakin during his flip. Also Anakin was completely overtaken by his rage so he wasn't thinking clearly. Don't act like he simply beat him down or something.

Because by that logic, Dooku already beat Anakin twice. And Obi-Wan multiple times. It was only Palpatine fueling his aggression that let him win. He could've killed either of them multiple times if you watched the movie or the show.


Really. Anakin also fought Dooku enraged and irrationally! Actually, it was Anakin's inmense rage and hate that made him into one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the republic's history.

Obi Wan out-best Anakin, period.

He did, however Dooku lost in the end. It's called Continuity. Anakin proved to become better than Dooku.


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Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.


And that's what makes Obi Wan such a deadly Jedi. Obi Wan is known for his ability to maintain control over his opponents and knowing when to strike and when to back up.

Dooku was old and tired by the time of ROTS.

I doubt he could win against a mature and cautious Obi Wan.


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Originally posted by juggernaut74
I wonder how badass Dooku would be had he actually put effort into his fights.


Yeah, that's Dooku's disadvantage. He is too overconfident.


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Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.
I agree. Anakin making such a foolish move only proves that he wasn't in his right mind during that fight. Dude just murdered his pregnant wife.


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A Sith's weapon is rage and hatred. That's the very same reason Sidious wanted Anakin so much, cause of his hate.

Anakin beat Dooku because he was OVERALL a better Sith than Dooku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTa1vxmY3M


I believe Anakin was fighting Obi Wan just like how he was fighting when he defeated Dooku. Just like a true Sith would with hate.

And even so, he lost to Obi Wan.

Again, a concentrated Obi Wan should be able to defeat Dooku.


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Originally posted by John Murdoch
As someone who hasn't read and/or watched hardly any of the CW and EU/Legends, but who is a more than casual Star Wars fan:

- Anakin's aggressive style was the rock to Dooku's scissors.
- Dooku's dueling style was the scissors to Obi-Wan's paper.
- Obi-Wan's defensive style was the paper to Anakin's rock.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

How does Qui-Gon stack up to Dooku in terms of style differences?


Good post thumb up

And good question...


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Dooku wins:

- Dooku already had a check in the win column against Obi-Wan and Anakin from AotC.
- Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan in RotS.
- Qui-Gon isn't an Anakin Skywalker, so it's game over for the duo here.


Your analogy would be perfect if it weren't for one little green inconvenience....

Yoda is consider a far more aggressive duelist than Anakin.

Dooku by the time of the CW was way stronger and more powerful than ROTS Dooku. Proof of this? Withstanding Yoda's attack.

Dooku didn't won the battle but was atleast able to survive, yet somehow he lost to Anakin in ROTS.

Dooku was clearly not the same in ROTS.


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It was only Palpatine fueling his aggression that let him win.
Good point that is always overlooked.

And the fact Dooku was holding back against them as he was told do so by Palpatine. By the time Dooku realized what was going on it was too late.


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