I've been hit in the head plenty, so i'd rather not.
It's not even a stretch, let alone a lie. Morlun was shown to be able to tag Spider-man with ease. Hell, Parm just posted a scan of him moving so fast 4 Spider-men said he is faster than their spider sense.
Best case scenario one could argue that he and Gorgon are in the same league speed-wise.
Morlun is not unpiercable but he is pretty much immune to piercing attacks. At least to the point that he outright ignores vibranium spear through the heart and alt. u. Wolverine's claws through the chest (which we can safely assume to be adamantium considering they went right through), not to mention all the debris from wakandan vibranium missiles/bombs that they threw at him.
Whether he can resist Gorgon's swords is yet to be seen (I personally would bet he can), but I wouldn't use the "The Other" as an example since it's basically an anti-inheritors plot device weapon.
As for telepathic distraction/stone stare, if we are to use their more rare abilities, one could argue that Morlun could use that vanishing trick to remain undetected, the same trick that allowed him to jump past Wolverine while talking and somehow remain unnoticed by Logan's super senses.
It certainly can be argued that Gorgon could win some using his more exotic abilities/sword, but it's Morlun's fight to lose.
Azula: My mommy didn't love me so I'm going to burn down your village.
What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.
Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin
Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.
Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.
And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?
Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.
Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.
A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.
First off Sin, rim my anus if you're going to come at me with that tone. And don't expect me not to try and push out a shit either.
Second, no, not all Hulks are the same. Which is why I was asking you questions earlier about where you'd place them. You instead just said he wasn't anything.
Also there's a difference between Jen and Bruce, mainly one directly received it, while Jen just was sharing needles with Bruce.
Yes, but that was the point. That he wasn't limited to totems. That Gorgan might have some life energy to drain.
Cap also wasn't able to casually blow up Solus as well, and they had something of a fight before the draining.
And people weren't saying they were directly equal (mind you, Hulk has fought a few alt Hulks and more often than not they are portrayed as the same strength), they were saying they were in the same tier. Which if you want to put a definition on it, they'd lack the high end feats of the characters, while the average to lower end feats should be reasonable to assume.
What this means is that while Spider Hulk couldn't punch a planet in twix, he could however go fist to punch with say Namor for example.
No one is saying we give them feats, but rather that we assume they can accomplish some Hulk level things. I think that's more than fair. The intention of a Hulk for instance isn't to be a class 20. But even if we ignore my off the head made up definition, we should be able to reasonably assume an alt Hulk for example is stronger than Gorgon.
No explanation why, this is the start of a trend here.
You jumped on Stilt's explanation which would be fine IF you would have stayed there.
Again unsupported claims, but my lovely beholders have a look at the "no way to put Morlun down" part (It's kind of important later on)
*Darksaint posts a scan of an insane speed feat for Morlun* it gets ignored, the start of another trend Sin starts here.
*The story teller Parmaniac posts an insane quantifiable feat of Morlun (him no selling all of Wakandas weaponry), something that actually goes far beyond what gorgon has ever displayed* Sin ignores that too.
Sin picks up on her first trend to make unsupported claims, giving no explaination (and being totally unaware what this means for a multiversal character who had a significant amount of his total feats in a multiversal event).
Darksaint elaborates why this feat still matters.
Bran makes a short statement which clearly gives another good feat for Morlun away also clearly above what Gorgon has displayed, Sin continues her trend of ignorance, in her defense in this case probably because she had no ****ing idea what he was talking about.
Sin makes an attempt to jab at Parmaniac (me) in accusation of trolling and actually asking for contribution, the irony should be quite obvious by now.
Here Parmaniac does a little sum up in between in hope to get this into the right direction, how naive this well intentioned man was.
Leonidas actually starts to present scans (something Sin hasn't done once, eventhough we have reached the middle of page 3 by now, so much for contribution) that show that Gorgon since his early showings actually went down on the ladder (if this is justified or not is another topic)
The noble Parmaniac directly asks for scans or at least a list of Gorgon's best feats so far in hope to get any type of productive reaction from the usual suspect.
Leonidas once more adds information to the debate to clarify the scans he has posted as his contribution, it is important that Leonidas mentions Morluns multiversal nature and that usually (<- the word means most of the time but there can be exceptions, why do I explain that? Keep on reading)
Here we have CosmicComet asking a question for the feat One Big Mob hinted at and Parmaniac correcting him about the detail of what the net was made out of (contributing).
and here we have Sin continuing her trend of unsupported claims such as "we don't know how powerful Captain Universe Spider-Man was" even though he one shotted an Inheritor and was described as the most powerful being in his native universe and his short fight with Solus was actually so impressive that Morlun (the most powerful Inheritor except maybe Karn and the usually arrogant-never-impressed Superior Spider-Man were really impressed by it).
Going by the quality of Sins replies and arguments in this thread so far
Sin also suddenly mentions that Gorgon has a "one shot weapon" even though her initial stance was that they stalemate and that Gorgon has no way of putting Morlun down. So by her own logic this weapon can't really have an effect on Morlun and it makes it quite awkward to now mention it especially under the label of a "one shot weapon", this either refers to the stone stare which she already labeled as ineffective or the God Killer Sword. Also all of her stat comparisons are unsupported claims since she hasn't posted a single scan of Gorgon to be compared to Morlun quite uber feats that were contributed by the evil troll Parmaniac.
Here the evil troll Parmaniac crawls out under his bridge once again to tell Sin the logical flaws of her argumentation and actually kept on his evil plot of contributing new feats by mentioning them and actually daring to post scans of them, Sin continuing her trend of ignorance while she carefully deconstructed every single of Parmaniacs arguments with a razorsharp on point post