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i also disagree. he used a misdirection to make the building appear to partially explode or catch fire. then that brainless guy was sent into the building. the explosion wasn't sleight of hand imo. it was the first manifestation of his powers. whether that is his mutant power (or whether he is even an actual mutant at all) is up for grabs i guess.
well, they did see the explosion he created, but he didn't really misdirect THEM with that display, true.
hmm, not sure that's true--at least as initial intent goes. was he just lying again to jean when she asked him about the old woman and he replied "what old woman?" maybe, but i had the feeling that by the end he was actually telling jean the truth.
later she was seen again and was apparently killed, so i guess she was real by then, but i'm not sure about the original intent. i'd love to ask morrison.
maybe. but like i said, it felt like by the end he was opening up some to jean. you could be right, but i think he was def more than just a liar.
however he goes about creating the construct, doesn't much matter. he does seem to need time to cast it though, so i can see why in direct combat he doesn't use it. it's also a tough power for a writer to work in, plausibly since it can be such a difficult power to overcome.
again, i'll disagree. he seemed to actively pursue lines morrison hinted at--the world, his 'mother', the history hinted at by morrison. possibly others did likewise, but i think remender came closest to following in the spirit of the character and maybe approximating what morrison himself would have liked to see from the character.
he's been beaten plenty of times in fights, but why distinguish weapon xiii as "evil fantomex"? weapon xiii was just fantomex....
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not sure how she breaks his neck though. starting distance is half a kilometer away. also not sure how she'd logic her way out if all she saw was her winning the battle... she sees herself trick him with an illusion, sees herself ko him, she's done and turns off her power. once her power fades he sees her and shoots her.
That smoke and light display was E.V.A. It wasn't an illusion.
It was ambiguous true, and only Morrison can truly know. But it's likely he intended for it to be just that, confusing.
I'm only discussing the method since it would have implications for who it works against.
I personally prefer the Remender presentation too. Factoring in cast time, which Remender gave us, might explain why it doesn't come into play much against other low metas. I'm just saying it can get weird if someone really wants to press the issue.
Remender was definitely the strongest in terms of quality, but the other writers were faithful thematically. They are just shittier writers lol. Fantomex isn't easy to write as a character.
That was the name he went by. I was just clarifying since we keep calling him "Evil Fantomex" on the boards. Similar to how the female went by Cluster.
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I meant within the illusion. If she breaks the illusion's neck, it'd be over right away like when Magik slashed the fake Fantomex. It vanished instantly. I don't think it'd be enough time post-realization for her to actually deactivate her own illusion.
Might be irrelevant if Fantomex has already bypassed hers of course.
They did have a pretty back and forth fight, although circumstances prevented them from going all out. Presented misdirection as a mental attack though, although I'm unsure why he didn't use it on Gambit. He had time to do it on the guards.
Yeah, he was using his weak point detection to break through Teen Jean's telepathy loop too, although it took days.
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i don't see a way he bypasses her illusions. if he pulls something like he did against the horsemen, i could easily see the misdirect lasting long enough for her to believe she actually killed him, then discontinue the illusion and end up shot. he made it seem like nightcrawler beheaded deadpool pretty easily. he isn't always part of the construct. far as i can see, no reason he couldn't create a fake scene of himself getting killed while still a good distance away. he made logan think he'd cut his arms off, not sure why he couldn't make her think she snapped his neck. or maybe he just shows her what she wants to see, as he did again with one of the horsemen, and takes her out that way. the effects can be a bit inconsistent, but using him at his best capacity? i still don't really see any logical ways she wins this without proof that she, or anyone, really, can actually see through the misdirect. /shrug
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Like you said, maybe he has a hard time doing it on people he fights with. And Sensor Girl is a pretty damn good fighter, seeing as she trained under Val Armorr. But, Sensor Girl is seriously more versatile all around. Remote sensing, telepathy, illusion casting, able to block out EXTREMELY high telepaths, martial artists, Magic user, Legion Flight ring (Which is Nth Metal, BTW), able to actually take ALL the five senses away, able to sense through illusions, etc...
Certainly. I'm just not sure he's going to create anything more than a basic decoy while he's under her spell as well. With Wolverine and the Horseman, he wasn't also fighting something himself.
We're in uncharted territory here since we've never this double illusion scenario, but I think it's reasonable to expect that their best illusions won't be present.
Well, versatility won't necessarily amount to a win.
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i dunno, i don't think her illusion would impact him or his choice. match starts, misdirect. match starts illusion. not sure how neither wouldn't use their 'best'. i guess it could be argued he might not go for the misdirect off the bat, but given basic knowledge i'd think he likely would. he'd cast his misdirect before he even knew what her illusion was. she'd do the same. she'd see herself kill him and.... /shrug
I'm saying he had time to focus and concentrate during those examples though. He was literally sitting for the Horsemen thing.
It just seems clear there is maintenance required for the more elaborate illusions, and I don't know if he could do it while fighting another illusion off himself. That's why I don't know if it'd really last past her "defeating" the image.
If anyone could see through a misdirect, she should.
The Celestial ship feat is nice, but I'd rather see him defeating a magic anti plot device ability like the Spider-Sense. Or trying to fool Xavier.
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If she can see through illusions, then why can't she see through Fantomex's?
Also, getting into a fight with someone who can take your senses away wouldn't be smart. She can take away Fantomex's sight, sound, etc... plus, she's more skilled than Agent Zero. This is why I pointed out Sensor Girl's versatility. It gives her an advantage.