Mui is something only the angels have mastered till now..he's not losing to any saiyan except possibly EofGT Goku
And even then if I recall the writers called MUI the strongest goku ever
Different Writers different Opinions. GT is not a part of DB canon. For example, there are fan DB Tournaments (great art btw) where there are sayan forms far above the MUI Goku. It's not official sure but so is GT.
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Yes. It would be not official, however if I make a thread about your form vs MUI and the people bother to read it up, we would have a discussion.
GT is not part of the DB canon. MUI Goku might be the most powerful in canon. I am interested in the powerlevels of both the canon and non canon and there the writers opinion of canon is just half of the equation.
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That depends who you talk to, in all honesty. Some believe DBS multipliers are > GT; some think it's the other way around... Opinions on this topic will vary wildly.
That said, I personally don't think DBS multipliers even began approaching GT multipliers until the end of the ToP. /shrug
Indeed... Mainly because multipliers in the ToP have been so utterly asinine that it's nearly impossible to scale them with any sort of accuracy.
Based on scaling alone, I personally think SSJ4 Gogeta would be superior. As I've mentioned before: Gogeta was, as a conservative estimate, tenS of thousandS of timeS more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku. Hype aside, I just don't view MUI in the same light. /shrug
...And to reiterate: I am ONLY discussing logical power-scaling here. Where feats alone are concerned, DBS is vastly superior.
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Base Vegeta in DBS>>>>>>>SS3 Goku in Z. Remember, Vegeta in base was standing in one spot tanking punches from Gotenks with a smile. Now add in the power ups for SS1, SS2, SS3, SS Red God, SSB, Master Super Saiyan Blue, KKX 20, UI, Mastered UI and this shows that tens of thousands is nothing.
I could just as easily argue that the DBS/God form multipliers aren't even remotely close to what you undoubtedly believe they are, and you couldn't counter with any sort of tangible 'evidence'(because none exists.)
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The scene with ssj3 Gotenks being so inferior to Vegeta though can easily be a outlier that doesn't apply to the rest of the series because we seen base Vegeta need ssj against people Fat Buu could take care of.
Granted I argued the ssj3 Gotenks point to prove DBS superiority to GT in the thread. XD but
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Actually I wonder if one could use First Form Freeza being > Buu(I think?) for power scaling. We know more or less how much his other forms increase him by.
Against people you THINK Fat Buu could take care of. Remember, Goku in base took on 3 Buu PLUS level beings on his own and was winning until they pulled out a plot...
A serious base Vegeta and Goku is above Buu. Sorry.
You probably need to look at that again and him even fighting evenly with them (one of them being more powerful than Buu) while in base still proves my point to be honest. They used a plot to gain the advantage. How would Buu fair again 2 of himself and another being above him? Think about it.
Well we could use Frieza, tbh. With First form Frieza being undoubtedly stronger than "any ki ever felt", by the z-fighters. The highest ki ever felt by the Z-fighters was Buutenks, and keep in mind that Buutenks was AT LEAST approximately 16X greater than SSJ3 DBZ Goku.
Then Frieza's first to 4th form shows a MINIMUM boost of 226X(Frieza's power back on Namek went from 530,000 to 120,000,000 from his first to 4th form. The multiplier should still be accurate). Meaning that 4th form Frieza should be a minimum 3,622X more powerful than SSJ3 DBZ Goku, in RoF. Then couple that with the fact that said Frieza couldn't even touch base Goku, who could then boost himself by 400X by going SSJ3, and MUCH more than even that as a SSJG or SSJB.
That alone makes SSJ3 RoF Goku at LEAST 1,449,056X more powerful than DBZ SSJ3 Goku. That's a MILLION and A HALF times more powerful. Even SSJB Goku from RoF is an ant compared to the likes of ToP and current Goku.
Frankly, I see a lot of argument to be made that the DBS multipliers are FAR greater than the DBGT multipliers, even as early as RoF.
Tbh, I don't even see how this is a contest anymore. DBS has blown GT out of the water, as far as power multipliers go. Even assuming that Super Buu was the being referred to as being inferior to 1st form RoF Frieza, the scale should still put RoF SSJ3 Goku WELL over anything GT could even compare to.
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Ambiguous implications are one thing, but this was NEVER actually stated, so I'm not sure why you're using quotes like it's some sort of irrefutable statement..?
But even IF that were the case, the rest of your 'calcs' are hysterically overinflated... Which is a common trope I've seen with quite a few DBS hyper-fans.
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It was stated in the movie, RoF. So I'm not sure why you're suddenly acting as if character statements in DB don't have relevancy, when you're one of biggest known advocates for the validity of statements within the series. I've seen you argue that Goku would oneshot Superman based on statements, and they suddenly don't matter here? Lmao
If you're going to make idiotic comments based on your poor understanding of source material, then at least have the decency to express less of your outright distaste for me, and post something which might actually further the debate instead of making baseless accusations- i.e. "hysterically overinflated calcs", and "DBS hyper-fans". If you had any sort of functioning memory, you'd know that I haven't been much of a fan of DBS, ever since it started. Also, what about my calcs was inflated? It's simple linear math, based on numbers we're literally given from canon source material. You can't even logically argue that- since math should work despite this being an anime. If a character is 1,000 times stronger than a character with a PL of 1,000, then the first character should have a PL of 1,000,000, right?
Look, you can try to downplay all of my comments based on your personal depiction of me, but at least have some reasoning behind it. What exactly doesn't make sense about what I said, or is erroneous? It's been widely accepted for a while now that 1st form RoF Frieza > DBZ Majin Buu, so based on that, what is wrong with what I said?
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