I'm not saying Plagueis' ritual didn't contribute to it, but the bulk of it was the Clone Wars. Maul knew the Force status quo at the time of TPM yet he immediately felt the difference when Talzin healed him.
Well, I'm pretty sure Maul "died" before Sidious's ascension at the end of TPM. In either case there's enough evidence that the unbalance was enormous long before any shots were fired on Geonosis (which makes sense given that Yoda and Windu were noticing the effects pre-clone wars).
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No, there isn't. IIRC Mace and Yoda have that conversation about their ability to use the Force being diminished after they find out they were unable to perceive the Clone Army being built.
But what's so special about that? The Jedi never see the Sith coming, in any era.
I suspect we're going to go round and round in circles since the details about the Chosen One prophecy were never clearly defined, nor was the "balance" it was supposed to bring about. Nor the involvement of the Ones.
If the prophecy is ancient then the "unbalance" in the Force is clearly not referring to Palpatine's machinations, since the Force waxed and waned throughout recorded history - and after Palpatine was killed. And if even the Father was aware of and interested in the prophecy, then it's clearly not about the Palpatine/ the Banite Sith, but something inherent to the nature of the Force.
On the other hand if we're to believe the Plagueis novel, then Anakin's birth was a direct consequence of Plagueis meddling with the midichlorians. It's the classic "mortal messes with the natural order out of hubris/divine retribution follows" motif.
Either way Sheev doesn't have jack shit to do with it.
Nah, if you watch the scene again it's clear they've been thinking about it for some time ("I think it's time we inform the senate our ability to use the force has diminished", "only the dark lord of the sith knows of our weakness...")
But they never make it a major plot point that they're long-term foresight is impaired.
The prophecy was originally to replace the Father and stop Plagueis's midichlorian manipulation (the second being the most immediate trigger). When the latter died and the former didn't work out, it still served the purpose of re-balancing the Force through the defeat of Palpatine, given that sources have confirmed that Anakin did indeed fulfill it.
But not to the extent that Sidious was a threat in RotJ.
Why?
Except that he does. It's been confirmed that the death of Sidious fulfilled the prophecy, a fact clearly corroborated by Sidious's unbalancing of it by EoTPM.
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Perhaps that was the original intent, but it doesn't seem to be the case in Legends given that it was created in direct response to Plagueis, and given that the Sith survived RotJ.
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Well, since in Legends the Force doesn't go out of balance when Palpatine comes back to life, multiple times, nor did it revert back to normal the other times he mentioned he died, nothing really supports the notion that Palpatine dying within itself is required for anything.
The Father, much like the Jedi of old, foresaw the creation of the Chosen One. To what end they could only speculate; the Jedi believed he would bring balance to the Force, and the Father took that to mean he would replace him as the ruler of Mortis, preventing his children from tearing apart the fabric of the universe.
However, in Legends it's very much the case that Anakin was birthed by Plagueis' actions, either directly or indirectly. In Canon, nowhere is it said to my knowledge that Anakin's purpose is necessarily to replace the Father. It just so happens that Anakin, a being of pure Force energy, is strong enough to replace the Father, because while the Ones are godlike, they appear to just be extremely powerful Force users.
He doesn't necessarily have a set purpose, only one that people prescribe for him. And it does seem like killing Sidious is what returned balance to the Force. Whether that's because Sidious personally was upsetting the balance or because he was carrying on the Sith, I'm not sure. It's more likely because the far-reaching consequences of his actions, all the death and suffering he caused, was knocking the Force out of whack.
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In Canon it's outright confirmed to be Anakin's destiny, Mortis that is. Him rejecting it leaves the galaxy out of balance. The Ones only made the situation even worse. The novel is irrelevant here.
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Read the prologue of the Plagueis novel again. The imbalance of the cosmic Force is very directly and causally linked to Palpatine's Force power; not his rise to Chancellorship, not the corruption and decay of the Republic, but his raw strength in the Force. It seems pretty clear to me.
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Given that it was stated Sidious' first "death" aboard the Death Star allowed Anakin to fulfill it's prophecy, it's seems pretty clear to me that it was more than just Palpatine's power that caused the imbalance.
Or else, the balance would have been immediattely throw out of the wack the minute he returned, and only got stronger as he further increased his power in the events leading to DE.
I'd say his grip on the galaxy, in conjunction with his Force abilities is what caused the imbalance to be as profound as it was. Hence, why his first Death restored it because his political grip of the galaxy had gone and the Jedi Order was to begin anew.
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