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Bashar Teg
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How dare I point out the truth to you, a leftist cuck, I won't make the mistake again.


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You're trying very hard lol.

How do you define terrorism Bash? Lay it out for us. Give us your special snowflake definition of terrorism.


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It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.


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It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.
Aren't the alt-right the only side with a 'death count'...? I've heard stories of Antifa attacking people but I don't recall the equivalent of mowing down peaceful protesters with a car as in Charlottesville. And I honestly think the scale of the Antifa problem is exaggerated by online personalities.

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Stopping speakers, even silly edge lords like Shapiro is stupid imo, if they're invited to an event, let them speak. But are we really going to compare that with murder? SMH.


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I'm not saying that the two are equivalent I'm saying one happens at greater frequency.


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It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.


There is also the normalization of Antifa. Neo nazis are bad, but Antifa..well, they're just fighting fascists, I swear!

600 grand for security for a Ben Shapiro speech. A year and a half earlier he spoke at the same place and it didn't cost any security money. What changed?


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I'm not saying that the two are equivalent I'm saying one happens at greater frequency.


Fair enough, my bad there. Mean that with sincerity. Seemed for a second you were equalizing both like Surtur has done and continues to do.


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Stopping speakers, even silly edge lords like Shapiro is stupid imo, if they're invited to an event, let them speak. But are we really going to compare that with murder? SMH.


Nobody compared it to murder, but Rob you have to admit murder is not necessarily needed to commit an act of terror.

The keyword is terror. They want to SCARE you into thinking like they do. They have said they use fear as a weapon. These people are terrorists Rob.


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Fair enough, my bad there. Mean that with sincerity. Seemed for a second you were equalizing both like Surtur has done and continues to do.


When did I say it's as bad as murder? I said they are frickin terrorists.


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Nobody compared it to murder, but Rob you have to admit murder is not necessarily needed to commit an act of terror.

The keyword is terror. They want to SCARE you into thinking like they do. They have said they use fear as a weapon. These people are terrorists Rob.

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When did I say it's as bad as murder? I said they are frickin terrorists.


Your entire exchange on the last page was you trying to equalize Antifa with outright murderers. You did the same in the Charlotsville thread (where this started for you)

Yes, Antifa are labeled "terrorist", but not all terrorist are equal. Some terrorist throw mean words and water-balloons, other's punch you in the face, other's mow you down with a car and others bring buildings down.


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Your entire exchange on the last page was you trying to equalize Antifa with outright murderers. You did the same in the Charlotsville thread (where this started for you)

Yes, Antifa are labeled "terrorist", but not all terrorist are equal. Some terrorist throw mean words and water-balloons, other's punch you in the face, other's mow you down with a car and others bring buildings down.


Lol nobody said all terrorists are equal. But they are terrorists. At least you acknowledged that.

Do you believe the worst thing Antifa has done is hurl mean words and water balloons? Serious question.


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This is pretty much what I was trying to say.

If you want to go under the R or the D label, have at it. It's the "No enemies on our side" philosophy I can't stand, even if that enemy tramples on a fundamental key issue.

I mean, sure, no one wants their side to look bad. But taking a principled stance isn't bad, imo. It shows you actually give a crap about the things you claim to care about when it hurts the other team.

Selective outrage just looks like you care more about image then substance.


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That last line is particularly poignant. While many wouldn't admit it, they do. And you and I do too. We all do it; there are just varying levels of self-awareness about it. But it's a hard tendency to overcome.

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Again, No: there is no superior side here.

substantiate that claim. Or do I need to explain how the burden of proof works?

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Fair enough, my bad there. Mean that with sincerity. Seemed for a second you were equalizing both like Surtur has done and continues to do.

I'm not equalizing murder with vandalism and non-lethal violent action, the alt-right has a higher kill-count but I'm saying that given Antifa's greater propensity for largescale political violence and mobbing in general it's not fair to compare the two along only one metric. Due to antifa's largescale political violence political speech on college campuses has become noticeably more obstructed due to concerns of violent mobs for even relatively moderate speakers like Ben Shapiro who aren't even advocating for racism or fascism, which has lead to these events being obstructed through either violent destruction, the heckler's veto, the onus placed upon organizations to raise an inordinate amount of money for security, etc.

One certainly has a higher killcount, but the other has a higher incidence of politically motivated violence and fear tactics as well as a wider spread effect in obstructing political dialogue.

I don't think it's fair to declare one side as far and away worse than the other based on analysis of a single variable.


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DMB, that's only because Antifa, being less extreme than the groups you're comparing them to has more support/power. That's not a reflection of how good/bad the organizations are.

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I don't really think a movement largely composite of far-lefties like communists, socialists, and anarchists is really less extreme or holds moral high ground over the alt-right tbh.


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I don't really think a movement largely composite of far-lefties like communists, socialists, and anarchists is really less extreme or holds moral high ground over the alt-right tbh.
Eh, they still haven't killed people. And they aren't racist, at least. So on those two facts alone, they hold at least a small high ground. But I'd agree that both factions are representative of extreme ideologies that aren't at all compatible with liberal democracy. In that sense, they both should be condemned, but the severity of what they have done should be kept in mind.

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maybe you'll get lucky, and this current whacko who's planting bombs in texas will turn out to be a leftist. fingers crossed.
First two targets were black dudes and the third was a mexican woman.

It's not looking good for us alt-bros


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i guess that means it will be labeled another "false flag", as per the standard coping tactic. also stay tuned for grieving parents accused of being coached actors. brace yourself for the same recycled conspiracy vomit.


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