Yeah but you're not understanding the point I'm trying to make here lol.
You keep saying he has all these powers. Yet, when I call you up on one of the first ones you mentioned (if not the first) it appears....he's never actually done it the way you've said.
IOW, sure he has all these handy powers according to handbooks and whatnot. Doesn't actually help him in a fight, as he's....not used it in a fight lol.
I mean, what are you going to say next, that he opens a black hole in her head or something?
And THEN, after all that, you then say Flash would lose, because of what he does in comics (as opposed to what his fans say in forums).....
Right. Let's see how easily Surfer, Quasar and BRB stop a meteor, the size of Rhode island.
What's this, they couldn't with all their power!
Or Diana hacks him into pieces while deflecting all of his attacks with her bracers. Hulk beat the everloving shit out of Surfer in Planet Hulk.
How does Thor hits harder than Superman BTW?
So Mon-El level feats who actually ripped a white dwarf star (Bill never did that) and was throwing around planets like ping pong balls destroying them?
Hardly stuff to be impressed at. Byrne Superman defeated the same Mon-El.
So rookie GLs level durability who tank planets being destroyed, tank black holes and supernovas?
Diana beats the shit out of him.
A random GL can stop Mordru and Validus (both would beat everloving shit out of Thanos) and can stop planets destroyed in a supernova.
Quasar would be lucky to have shields as durable as a GLs.
This is the same guy who got oneshotted by Usagent?
Or she just hacks him into pieces.
Right. Because Nova has actually done that.
Right, he didn't.
Superman has oneshotted beings who tank supernovas and solar system level attacks.
Surfer would be lucky to take more than two punches from Superman.
Oh you young padawan. Surfer can't even beat small gods like Thor and diet Superman like cyborg Superman.
Forget beating Superman, he would be lucky to singe Superman's cape.
I am not gonna say he opens a black hole in her head (while he would be able to do it, he wouldn't do it in a fight). He does use energy manipulation in fights, as well as energy drain, and he uses hax in most of the fights he is in.
Have you read 2000 and newer Surfer comics? The Annihilators teammembers have been getting stronger and stronger over the decades. For example, Surfer was only a planet buster in the early to late 90's, he has grown beyond that now. As has BRB and Quasar. Nova Prime with World Mind and full Nova Force are at FTL speeds, while Diana is supersonic combat speeds.
Superman would need to power-up to be able to tank hit's from Surfer and BRB, without getting slapped around. While on the other hand, they can tank what Superman throws at them while not powered up by sundipping.
Superman have the potential to grow beyond them. He isn't stronger than them if he doesn't take in more sun radiation.
Also, wouldn't be beyond Surfer's ability to drain the sun radiation from Superman.
Besides, Surfer tanked Supernovas in the early 90's I think it was or the 80's. Not really sure when his upgrade to Supernova Surfer came into effect. But it was between then.
But let me see all those feats which are beyond planet level. He shit himself trying to move a moon and was getting slapped around by Thing just recently.
Let me see those FTL speed feats from Nova, will you?
You haven't shown any proof of that till now.
Lobo himself can tank supernovas. Superman almost killed him in one punch.
John Stewart can survive solar system level attacks (Surfer got vaporized by a solar system level blast).
Superman oneshots him too.
Mon El literally tossed around planets like ping pong balls and Superman beat him black and blue.
Tell me how Surfer survives one punch from Superman.
Proof of this.
Of course he is. Even sun eaters (who can drain suns) can't drain Superman.
Surfer has never tanked any supernova. He has also been koed by Black holes twice, almost crushed once and liquefied by a black hole once.
You guys clearly need to read some Surfer comics. Wonder Woman's punches would be to Surfer as a Mosquito bite would be to you and me. An annoyance at best.
But then again, it's not surprising that you have no clue of what Surfer is capable of since you have clearly never read any Surfer comics in the last 15 years.
I am the only one here that seems to know anything about what Surfer is actually capable of and the only one that know's Superman's shtick. He has never, and will never be a planet buster when he isn't getting pissed and absorb an extra amount of solar radiation. Without it, he would be at around small planet level, think Venus size planets.
Superman will grow stronger than that, and grow stronger than most Marvel heroes. But Wonder Woman will not get past the heavy hitters of Marvel in terms of strength. BRB and Thor and Surfer have for the past 40 years been on planet level strength.
I can't say the same for Wonder Woman. She isn't getting past Ronan unless it's a h2h fight. He has too much versatility to utilize to go down to her. Her atom-splitting sword would cut their force-fields if they didn't want it to.
How many scans does he have to post? Example, if he post a single showing of Surfer surviving a super nova, will you cap that at his durability? Kinda like you do Flash. You use his minimum as his average. Does that apply to Surfer as well?
Quasar in his early days is fairly weak. So is Nova, and Surfer compared to what they are at this point in time. For example, now Surfer tanks Supernovas without trouble, he has tanked hit's from people who destroy planets without being hurt.
Ronan's shield have proven to withstand a guy that can cut through anything. Surfer have been able to shapeshift on a few occasions.
BRB have been shown to rip core out of a star and contend with Classic Drax, who also rip cores out of stars. He has been shown to destroy a planet.
Quasar's shields have help against Thor and Hulk and BRB who are all planet busters.
Nova have shown to (with World Mind and full Nova Force), have shown to be too fast for even the Annihilators and Quasar have been shown to react as fast if not faster than WW.
Funny you mention me being a Surfer Fanboy as I am not since I do not like Surfer that much. I rather read a Superman comic. I would say that the best comics out there is Spider-Man and Batman comics. Superman is good, but can't really compare to the more relatable characters.
You however seem like one of the many Superman fanboys that can't take your favorit hero actually getting beaten by a more powerful hero.
Superman would beat Surfer given enough time. But Surfer ain't gonna sit around and let Superman power up.
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