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Surfer or Mjlonir

Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.


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laughing out loud

Mjolnir obviously.


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They're both pretty shit, but SS is about 1000x more durable.


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Your mom is more durable than both, carv.

Serious answer? Mjolnir, no contest.


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Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.


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Mjolnir, KMCer.


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Mjölnir is more durable than Silver Surfer. So Silver Surfer getting his head pierced by Mjölnir makes sense. However, Silver Surfer can also regenerate pretty well, something that has been ignored for the sake of the plot. In an issue of the Defenders Silver Surfer has regenerated from almost total annihilation... but thinking how Thanos almost killed him with a couple of punches years ago, the regeneration feat in Defenders might be a space cheese cosmic feat for Silver Surfer.

Neither Silver Surfer nor Mjölnir SHOULD be affected by the Sun. However, I COULD get along with both of them melting down after a prolonged vacation in the very core of the sun.

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Hard to argue when Mjlonir just got destroyed by being thrown into the sun


Historically speaking, the hammer should obviously be more durable. After Thor 705, that looks like it was changed. But then again, under Aaron, Odin would have perished from the Sun. Mangog is more powerful than the Destroyer, Odin, and Phoenix Force. And of course, Odin says things like "when Thor dies, i want that hammer"


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Hard to argue when Mjlonir just got destroyed by being thrown into the sun


Historically speaking, the hammer should obviously be more durable. After Thor 705, that looks like it was changed. But then again, under Aaron, Odin would have perished from the Sun. Mangog is more powerful than the Destroyer, Odin, and Phoenix Force. And of course, Odin says things like "when Thor dies, i want that hammer"


Superman is historically stronger than Wonder Woman, but as of "insert issue #", that has changed.

How stupid does that sound?

Under Aaron, young Thor/King Thor/Current Thor fought Gorr in a Sun just fine. Thor flies through Stars for excitement. King Thor is wielding Mjolnir in the future. Let's see how it plays out before we forget everything else we know.

This is Mjolnir. It was randomly destroyed off panel? Aaron is shit, but not THAT shit.


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It looks like in a Jason Aaron story the main character gets all the credit, while everyone around him is a clumsy cheerleader.
In Jason Aarons "Thor: God of Thunder" Thor outperformed pretty much everyone else in the story.

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Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.
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A well thought out analysis that I agree with.


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Superman is historically stronger than Wonder Woman, but as of "insert issue #", that has changed.

How stupid does that sound?

Under Aaron, young Thor/King Thor/Current Thor fought Gorr in a Sun just fine. Thor flies through Stars for excitement. King Thor is wielding Mjolnir in the future. Let's see how it plays out before we forget everything else we know.

This is Mjolnir. It was randomly destroyed off panel? Aaron is shit, but not THAT shit.

I normally agree that you can't just assume the new power level of X character should be concluded on the latest comics. IE: WonderWoman getting knocked the F*** out by a bullet.

The thing with Mjlonir is that under Aaron, he specifically retconned the origins of the hammer. He didn't just decide to make the hammer weak. He actually gave it much different explanation.

For now I do agree with you that Mjolnir>SS easily,. There is just too many inconsistencies to use any of these feats. But I'm interested to see where this goes. From what I've read, there is multiple hammers coming, IE GL lantern corps.


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I normally agree that you can't just assume the new power level of X character should be concluded on the latest comics. IE: WonderWoman getting knocked the F*** out by a bullet.

The thing with Mjlonir is that under Aaron, he specifically retconned the origins of the hammer. He didn't just decide to make the hammer weak. He actually gave it much different explanation.

For now I do agree with you that Mjolnir>SS easily,. There is just too many inconsistencies to use any of these feats. But I'm interested to see where this goes. From what I've read, there is multiple hammers coming, IE GL lantern corps.


He retconned the hammers origins by inserting the Mother Storm, the original cosmic storm from the beginning of time that spans Galaxies and is almost as powerful as Odin...In the same comic, he reinforces that the forging of Mjolnir destroyed a Star (One of it's defining traits).

How does that retcon make the hammer weak or any likely to yield to Surfer? Aaron has made Mjolnir (And all the other weapons of Asgard such as Stormbreaker, Thor's axe etc.) more powerful than ever...


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Is this thread the result of someone getting triggered in another thread?


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Is this thread the result of someone getting triggered in another thread?


The latest issue of The Mighty Thor, and what recently happened in Thanos would likely be my first guess.


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Didn't Thanos just impale [a hugely amped] Surfer's head on the handle of Mjolnir? There's your answer. smile


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He retconned the hammers origins by inserting the Mother Storm, the original cosmic storm from the beginning of time that spans Galaxies and is almost as powerful as Odin...In the same comic, he reinforces that the forging of Mjolnir destroyed a Star (One of it's defining traits).

How does that retcon make the hammer weak or any likely to yield to Surfer? Aaron has made Mjolnir (And all the other weapons of Asgard such as Stormbreaker, Thor's axe etc.) more powerful than ever...


He retconned in more than what you stated. Odin clearly was never able to wield it. He still expresses the desire to wield it. Also, he tamed the storm, clearly he was more powerful.

Also, I want to make this clear; I find it perfectly valid that if Mjolnir was forged in a star, that it can probably be unmade to a point. A lot like how a sword is made in a furnace (and other tool) and cane unmade there.

With that said, historically speaking, like you have said already, Mjlonir has survived plenty of times in similar situations. I agree with you!!!!


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He retconned in more than what you stated. Odin clearly was never able to wield it. He still expresses the desire to wield it. Also, he tamed the storm, clearly he was more powerful.

Also, I want to make this clear; I find it perfectly valid that if Mjolnir was forged in a star, that it can probably be unmade to a point. A lot like how a sword is made in a furnace (and other tool) and cane unmade there.

With that said, historically speaking, like you have said already, Mjlonir has survived plenty of times in similar situations. I agree with you!!!!


He changed Odin's relationship with the hammer partially, yes. How is that relevant in this thread exactly, regarding Mjolnir's durability in general?

I think you need re-read Thor #12. The dwarves brought Odin a chunk of Uru, the strongest metal in all creation, even unsmeatable in the forges of the dwarves.

They hooked a Star, and then pounded on the entire race pounded on the metal for 17 days. The forging of Mjolnir was so intense, it destroyed the Star just to HEAT the metal enough for it to be shaped. Then Odin enchanted it.

What about that issue, suggests that Mjolnir isn't at least as durable as before, much less weaker?

Fair enough.


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typical forum idiocy. thor says the hammer is destroyed, so everyone just what? goes ahead and assumes it was destroyed? geezus, it's like some of you have never read a comic in your lives. a new forum rule should say that no one can open a thread based on the immediate result in current comic (that would serve the double threat of keeping prep from ever opening ANY threads). christ, we don't even know if it's true and people are calling for retcons? laughing out loud get a phukin grip.

IF it turns out to be true, THEN we can all go ape-sh!t. for the moment, this thread serves no purpose other than to troll. nice carv. thumb up


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