He could still go mystic in BoG. Goku and Vegeta surpassed him in that time though. Without outside upgrades to get their max potential out (twice).
And then he just fell apart and that seems to be when he started getting weaker. Maybe being the only character in the series who can get way weaker is his real potential.
Mystic or not, he was still utterly pathetic in the BoG anime. Beerus casually KO'd Gohan just by tapping him with Boo's incapacitated body, lol... And Gohan had also donned the 'nerdy scholar' attire by then, which tells us he hadn't been training at all. This means he was almost certainly intended to be a good deal weaker than he was in Z, and also explains why SSJ3 Goku and RB Vegeta were >.
At least the manga treated Gohan a *little* better in that regard. In its rendition of BoG, Gohan actually endured one of Beerus 'attacks' without being KO'd(it was literally just a push, but still, he shrugged it off alongside Boo.) In fact, I don't think the manga had Beerus KO Gohan OR Boo at all -- a sharp contrast to the anime, lol.
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There were a good bit of people in denial about Gohan in DBS' RoF arc, theorizing that he still had his Mystic power when it was clearly said that he didn't, and other hoopla of people just seeing what they wanted to see. It was almost as sad as Gohan's treatment there itself was. I was unfortunately right to keep shitting on him as he was up until the ToP at least, but even then he was just kinda meh in the end, although a huge step up from his pathetic states.
But, I couldn't really rant about him anymore by then; it was just a lost cause. People spoke up loudly of wanting to see Gohan back for so long and what we got from Toei was just... yeah.. okay.
I liked 4 years more than 6 months, but it is what it is. Last episode of DBZ is 10 years after Majin Buu. That should be insanely powerful Goku... Whis or higher level
The ToP is only set like 3ish years after the Boo saga, and look how goddamn far he's come. Give Goku another 7 years of training(which is when the timeline would finally catch up to the EoZ chapters), and his power should be FAR beyond what it is now.
If DBS has been any indication, I'd certainly like to think Goku's power would be at least Beerus-level by then(without UI), but who knows...
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Buu's body was still being swung with the force of Beerus. Just think of it as Beerus hitting him but his fist was Buu.
In the Manga all we saw was Beerus do the push motion. Gohan/Buu gave up and just stood around and watched Vegeta surpass them. In the movie Gohan gets kicked in the gut and gets put out. In the anime he gets batted. None of them say Gohan was weaker at that point in time. All we know is that Vegeta was the best while Goku was runner up.
The Manga one might have been the worst because it showed Gohan just be a quitter. Broly Movie Vegeta tier.
Yeah, kinda saw Gohan giving up in BotG, as opposed to Vegeta who at least went down fighting, to be foreshadowing or the starting point of him embracing pussiness.
We know Gohan hadn't been training in the 6 months between the Boo saga and BoG, while Goku and Vegeta had.
So maybe that's why Goku and Vegeta were portrayed as far more powerful than [Mystic] Gohan..? Or maybe Toriyama just forgot that Gohan was supposed to be a LOT more powerful than them as of Z..? Doesn't really matter.
The BoG arc is basically when it was established that Gohan is no longer relevant... And his status hasn't really changed at all since then, unfortunately.
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As far as time skips go now I'm confused, since Trunks and Goten are supposed to be 14/13 by the ToP IIRC?
Though for the answer this thread I guess Toei wants to get it across to the audience that Gohan will never be near the two main Saiyans again. Just Like King Kai is no longer relevant now with elder supreme kai having more exposure.
Yup. I was taking MUI Goku into consideration with additional 7 years of training and he gets to Whis or higher level (which still shouldn't happen at all)... but what DBS did with this extreme exeggeration stupidity jump, I wouldn't be surprised if that would happen, while GP is unreachable, ridiculosly far and far beyond that.
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Never say never, GP is just a few transformations away.
Maybe Goku grows a few more arms and calls it Manta form or something.
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The only possible way for Goku to even remotely begin to approach Whis, is if he learns to *fully* control/access UI, and builds upon THAT power exponentially... If he can't *at least* access MUI at will, then he wouldn't even be able to touch Whis -- let alone hope to contend with him in a serious fight.
And yeah, Daishinkan represents a level that is completely unattainable for Goku, imo. I'd imagine that he can beat all of the Guide Angels, as easily as the Guide Angels can beat the Hakaishin. /shrug
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