Since Nulgath can't post pictures yet, I'll post his response for him. Btw Nulgath, great posts and argument here. Sorry it has to be wasted on a troll like RW. Welcome to KMC. I hope to see you in the Anime/Manga section soon. Anyways:
Okay, i'ma try to put this in a super duper simplified way (since Umineko is about as long as the bible)
Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but now fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator".
Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient yet the closest as one can be
Fragments: Fragments/Kakera: represents infinite parallel universes with endless possibilities and they came into various shapes and forms, such as books or crystals with different contents (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)
Bernkastel speaking about the fragment representing infinite futures of Ange
"Due to that I have to me, the
Witch of Miracles Bernkastel, as your the lada,
there is the possibility of a miracle
in the family of Ange back to it.
Good. even if you like wasting too that
opportunity and warrant that the inf finite
future of Ange ending up in sadness, that
should also be interesting
"There is still an opportunity. A miracle for the family/Ange. I, the witch of miracles, if you want to throw it away to the trash and the tragic destination is the destruction of Ange for? A infinite number of worlds."
Now, Beatrice is the first and the weakest. Beatrice created her catbox. This catbox is a compendium that generates and encapsulates INFINITE fragments and infinite realities spun from the Rokkenjima island scenario of the two specific days of October 4th and 5th.
Beatrice's catbox is able to generate infinite parralel universes and in the higher worlds of her territoy (golden land, meta world) is viewed as a single fragment/crystal. Beatrice is a territory witch. She's bounded by it.
Voyagers like lambdadelta and bernkastel are far superior to Beatrice. Beatrice is nothing to them. They are not bounded by territory. They travel through the sea of fragments/Kakera
In the sea of fragments, beatrice catbox is refereed to as smaller compared to other catboxes and fragments in this void. The sea of fragments holds infinite number of these beatrice sized catboxes/fragments that voyagers travel through to manipulate and ease their boredom.
Voyagers live in a world where concepts and fate can be visualized. They are somewhat in the middle of the ladder. They regard beings like Beatrice as mere fiction for them to play with. Voyagers at the end of the visual novel even state that they will travel to other fictions like Ghost in the shell.
Voyagers are Nothing to Creator/Featherine. Featherine is creator. She's at the last/top of the hierarchy completely free from infinity and all restrictions operating at the highest possible meta-narrative.
Featherine rules over the city of books. The city of books is above the sea of fragments/infinite void of kakera and beyond all layers. This realm holds endless fragments in the shape of books/umineko size creations. Each book is stated to not only be of the same length/size but even larger than Umineko's story (sea/voyagers/territory included)
A voyager (lambdadelta) was destroying these endless fragments inside this realm. She proceeds to challenge Featherine and Featherine paused the verse and went "you lose to me and die" and won. What Featherine did to a voyager is like what would happen if a character tried to challenge it's author. Keep in mind, Lambdadelta is a fully aware meta fictional being and Featherine simply went "You die, i'll think about what killed you later"
In the sea of fragments, Beatrice catbox is refereed as smaller than other fragments out there. Voyagers treat beatrice and her catbox as mere fiction (which is a common theme in Umineko) among an infinite amount.
And then Bernkastel recreating the Sea of Fragments in Episode 7 for her game.
It's mentioned in Episode 8 when she is invited to the Battlee's game for Ange. She mentions how she believed that she thought that Will and Lion were lost in the Sea of Fragments. In Episode 7, they were still within her game. Thus, she recreates it for her game.
And then the "city of books" holds Umineko size creations (Including everything (sea, voyagers, Territory ect...)
That Featherine rules and transcended since this realm is just a world on the ladder.
Lambdadelta and bernkastel were warping and actively destroying these infinite fragments in their fight with one another in episode 8
Also, the witches aren't fabricated. Voyagers at the end of the visual Novel state that they'll travel to other fictions such as ghost in the shell, children in paradise (1945 film) ect...
Note, that these feats aren't by Featherine but by characters so far below her she can retcon. Hell, molecule man (at least post) hasn't done much to put him on voyagers level let alone Featherine who is infinitely above them. Even his "omniverse in a box" doesn't match. It's just another multiverse
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Last edited by SSJGGogeta on Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:41 AM
It certainly took a bit of doing, but I managed to fix those links. I'll do the same to the remaining ones.
From now on, just make sure you don't copy the links from message to message, or from post to post. You need to copy the links directly from the source.
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"Why is everybody so ****ing stupid?"- Kim Jong Il, Team America.
You're welcome, and no problem. I just finished fixing them up.
Okay, i'ma try to put this in a super duper simplified way (since Umineko is about as long as the bible)
Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but now fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator".
Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient yet the closest as one can be
Fragments: Fragments/Kakera: represents infinite parallel universes with endless possibilities and they came into various shapes and forms, such as books or crystals with different contents (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)
Bernkastel speaking about the fragment representing infinite futures of Ange
"Due to that I have to me, the
Witch of Miracles Bernkastel, as your the lada,
there is the possibility of a miracle
in the family of Ange back to it.
Good. even if you like wasting too that
opportunity and warrant that the inf finite
future of Ange ending up in sadness, that
should also be interesting
"There is still an opportunity. A miracle for the family/Ange. I, the witch of miracles, if you want to throw it away to the trash and the tragic destination is the destruction of Ange for? A infinite number of worlds."
Now, Beatrice is the first and the weakest. Beatrice created her catbox. This catbox is a compendium that generates and encapsulates INFINITE fragments and infinite realities spun from the Rokkenjima island scenario of the two specific days of October 4th and 5th.
Beatrice's catbox is able to generate infinite parralel universes and in the higher worlds of her territoy (golden land, meta world) is viewed as a single fragment/crystal. Beatrice is a territory witch. She's bounded by it.
Voyagers like lambdadelta and bernkastel are far superior to Beatrice. Beatrice is nothing to them. They are not bounded by territory. They travel through the sea of fragments/Kakera
In the sea of fragments, beatrice catbox is refereed to as smaller compared to other catboxes and fragments in this void. The sea of fragments holds infinite number of these beatrice sized catboxes/fragments that voyagers travel through to manipulate and ease their boredom.
Voyagers live in a world where concepts and fate can be visualized. They are somewhat in the middle of the ladder. They regard beings like Beatrice as mere fiction for them to play with. Voyagers at the end of the visual novel even state that they will travel to other fictions like Ghost in the shell.
Voyagers are Nothing to Creator/Featherine. Featherine is creator. She's at the last/top of the hierarchy completely free from infinity and all restrictions operating at the highest possible meta-narrative.
Featherine rules over the city of books. The city of books is above the sea of fragments/infinite void of kakera and beyond all layers. This realm holds endless fragments in the shape of books/umineko size creations. Each book is stated to not only be of the same length/size but even larger than Umineko's story (sea/voyagers/territory included)
A voyager (lambdadelta) was destroying these endless fragments inside this realm. She proceeds to challenge Featherine and Featherine paused the verse and went "you lose to me and die" and won. What Featherine did to a voyager is like what would happen if a character tried to challenge it's author. Keep in mind, Lambdadelta is a fully aware meta fictional being and Featherine simply went "You die, i'll think about what killed you later"
HOTU Thanos is fodder to Featherine, is what I was getting at. Pretty sure Featherine is only capable of stalemating TOAA by becoming one with The Creator, though.
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But Featherine has basically touched TOAA, and has transcended infinity, to reach the levels of the Creator already. She is basically only limited by her mindset, meaning she is basically the Umineko equivalent of TOAA, if someone was able to become TOAA, or merge with him and grasp his power.
She's basically the only witch to ever experience the power of the Creator, and not lose her sense of self. Meaning she's theoretically the only being that could stalemate TOAA, or beings like him(God), without having to be the Creator herself.
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Even with your view and acceptance of a nigh omnipotent sentry, wouldn't that (even going by your terms) technically lead to a stalemate? Considering both beings are supposedly operating at the highest possible level explicitly stated to be free from all restrictions without being the literal author but as close to it and it's power?
Last edited by Nulgath on Apr 10th, 2018 at 02:28 AM
Sentry is not omnipotent, nor is he anywhere near it. Jerry Siegel has also referred to Superman as omnipotent, and Stan Lee also called Odin omnipotent.
Hyperbole =/= facts
Based on feats, Sentry is nowhere near Featherine, and would be fodderized even by witches like Lambdadelta, Bernkastel, and even Beatrice. All three of these are less significant to Featherine than amoeba's are to human beings.
Sentry is skyfather level. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Apr 9th, 2018 12:09 AM
