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Since Nulgath can't post pictures yet, I'll post his response for him. Btw Nulgath, great posts and argument here. Sorry it has to be wasted on a troll like RW. Welcome to KMC. I hope to see you in the Anime/Manga section soon. Anyways:

Okay, i'ma try to put this in a super duper simplified way (since Umineko is about as long as the bible)

Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but now fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator".

Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient yet the closest as one can be

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...169-2017%25.jpg

as already mentioned... because if she did, she wouldn't be Feathrine. Featherine would no longer be.

"フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ。?魔女の域を極め過ぎて、造物主の域にまで達し、?

Featherine Augustus Aurora.? She who had go through beyond the end of the domain of Witch, arrive at the domain of The Creator,?"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...57707275-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...26276-Umine.jpg

Fragments: Fragments/Kakera: represents infinite parallel universes with endless possibilities and they came into various shapes and forms, such as books or crystals with different contents (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...06093583-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...29274404-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...27840-63144.png

"Yes. Even the mystery Genre parallel universes like this have gained in popularity"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...64749-1PQhB.png

Bernkastel speaking about the fragment representing infinite futures of Ange

"Due to that I have to me, the
Witch of Miracles Bernkastel, as your the lada,
there is the possibility of a miracle
in the family of Ange back to it.
Good. even if you like wasting too that
opportunity and warrant that the inf finite
future of Ange ending up in sadness, that
should also be interesting

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...16382-LEYms.png

"There is still an opportunity. A miracle for the family/Ange. I, the witch of miracles, if you want to throw it away to the trash and the tragic destination is the destruction of Ange for? A infinite number of worlds."

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...59064-wSO5l.jpg

Now, Beatrice is the first and the weakest. Beatrice created her catbox. This catbox is a compendium that generates and encapsulates INFINITE fragments and infinite realities spun from the Rokkenjima island scenario of the two specific days of October 4th and 5th.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...81839-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...84610-UEP8_.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...75410-UEP8_.jpg

Beatrice's catbox is able to generate infinite parralel universes and in the higher worlds of her territoy (golden land, meta world) is viewed as a single fragment/crystal. Beatrice is a territory witch. She's bounded by it.


Voyagers like lambdadelta and bernkastel are far superior to Beatrice. Beatrice is nothing to them. They are not bounded by territory. They travel through the sea of fragments/Kakera

In the sea of fragments, beatrice catbox is refereed to as smaller compared to other catboxes and fragments in this void. The sea of fragments holds infinite number of these beatrice sized catboxes/fragments that voyagers travel through to manipulate and ease their boredom.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...86256-Catbo.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...51598-umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...04172-drDe0.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...49749-S7CzA.png

Voyagers live in a world where concepts and fate can be visualized. They are somewhat in the middle of the ladder. They regard beings like Beatrice as mere fiction for them to play with. Voyagers at the end of the visual novel even state that they will travel to other fictions like Ghost in the shell.

Voyagers are Nothing to Creator/Featherine. Featherine is creator. She's at the last/top of the hierarchy completely free from infinity and all restrictions operating at the highest possible meta-narrative.

Featherine rules over the city of books. The city of books is above the sea of fragments/infinite void of kakera and beyond all layers. This realm holds endless fragments in the shape of books/umineko size creations. Each book is stated to not only be of the same length/size but even larger than Umineko's story (sea/voyagers/territory included)

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...27662-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...63439-63144.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...80929-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...52225-Umine.jpg

A voyager (lambdadelta) was destroying these endless fragments inside this realm. She proceeds to challenge Featherine and Featherine paused the verse and went "you lose to me and die" and won. What Featherine did to a voyager is like what would happen if a character tried to challenge it's author. Keep in mind, Lambdadelta is a fully aware meta fictional being and Featherine simply went "You die, i'll think about what killed you later"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...38364-ftrrw.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...21470-ftrrw.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...43345-ftrrw.jpg


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Thanks! I'll try to be active. And I appreciate you for helping me

But something is wrong. Those links aren't working for whatever reason. Ugh this is frustrating. I'll try to see what the deal is

Man this site is making it damn hard to simply post links. Hmm, i'll try and renew the links to give it a fresh url or something

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Whoa, weird. The links aren't working for me now either. Here, I'll post this tidbit real fast, and see if I can't repost the other links.

So Beatrice's catbox at bare minimum produces infinite universes.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...81839-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...84610-UEP8_.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...75410-UEP8_.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...06093583-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...29274404-latest

Voyagers and The sea of fragments are beyond beatrice territory. The sea holds infinite fragments

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...04172-drDe0.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...49749-S7CzA.png

In the sea of fragments, Beatrice catbox is refereed as smaller than other fragments out there. Voyagers treat beatrice and her catbox as mere fiction (which is a common theme in Umineko) among an infinite amount.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...86256-Catbo.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...51598-umine.jpg

And then Bernkastel recreating the Sea of Fragments in Episode 7 for her game.

It's mentioned in Episode 8 when she is invited to the Battlee's game for Ange. She mentions how she believed that she thought that Will and Lion were lost in the Sea of Fragments. In Episode 7, they were still within her game. Thus, she recreates it for her game.

And then the "city of books" holds Umineko size creations (Including everything (sea, voyagers, Territory ect...)

That Featherine rules and transcended since this realm is just a world on the ladder.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...27662-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...63439-63144.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...80929-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...52225-Umine.jpg

Lambdadelta and bernkastel were warping and actively destroying these infinite fragments in their fight with one another in episode 8


Also, the witches aren't fabricated. Voyagers at the end of the visual Novel state that they'll travel to other fictions such as ghost in the shell, children in paradise (1945 film) ect...


Note, that these feats aren't by Featherine but by characters so far below her she can retcon. Hell, molecule man (at least post) hasn't done much to put him on voyagers level let alone Featherine who is infinitely above them. Even his "omniverse in a box" doesn't match. It's just another multiverse


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It certainly took a bit of doing, but I managed to fix those links. I'll do the same to the remaining ones.

From now on, just make sure you don't copy the links from message to message, or from post to post. You need to copy the links directly from the source.


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It certainly took a bit of doing, but I managed to fix those links. I'll do the same to the remaining ones.

From now on, just make sure you don't copy the links from message to message, or from post to post. You need to copy the links directly from the source.


Ahh okay thanks. I'm currently fixing those other ones and i'll have them ready shortly. Thanks by the way

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Ahh okay thanks. I'm currently fixing those other ones and i'll have them ready shortly. Thanks by the way


You're welcome, and no problem. I just finished fixing them up.

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Originally posted by Nulgath


Okay, i'ma try to put this in a super duper simplified way (since Umineko is about as long as the bible)

Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but now fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator".

Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient yet the closest as one can be

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...169-2017%25.jpg

as already mentioned... because if she did, she wouldn't be Feathrine. Featherine would no longer be.

"フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ。?魔女の域を極め過ぎて、造物主の域にまで達し、?

Featherine Augustus Aurora.? She who had go through beyond the end of the domain of Witch, arrive at the domain of The Creator,?"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...57707275-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...26276-Umine.jpg

Fragments: Fragments/Kakera: represents infinite parallel universes with endless possibilities and they came into various shapes and forms, such as books or crystals with different contents (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...06093583-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...29274404-latest

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...27840-63144.png

"Yes. Even the mystery Genre parallel universes like this have gained in popularity"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...64749-1PQhB.png

Bernkastel speaking about the fragment representing infinite futures of Ange

"Due to that I have to me, the
Witch of Miracles Bernkastel, as your the lada,
there is the possibility of a miracle
in the family of Ange back to it.
Good. even if you like wasting too that
opportunity and warrant that the inf finite
future of Ange ending up in sadness, that
should also be interesting

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...16382-LEYms.png

"There is still an opportunity. A miracle for the family/Ange. I, the witch of miracles, if you want to throw it away to the trash and the tragic destination is the destruction of Ange for? A infinite number of worlds."

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...59064-wSO5l.jpg

Now, Beatrice is the first and the weakest. Beatrice created her catbox. This catbox is a compendium that generates and encapsulates INFINITE fragments and infinite realities spun from the Rokkenjima island scenario of the two specific days of October 4th and 5th.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...81839-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...84610-UEP8_.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...75410-UEP8_.jpg

Beatrice's catbox is able to generate infinite parralel universes and in the higher worlds of her territoy (golden land, meta world) is viewed as a single fragment/crystal. Beatrice is a territory witch. She's bounded by it.


Voyagers like lambdadelta and bernkastel are far superior to Beatrice. Beatrice is nothing to them. They are not bounded by territory. They travel through the sea of fragments/Kakera

In the sea of fragments, beatrice catbox is refereed to as smaller compared to other catboxes and fragments in this void. The sea of fragments holds infinite number of these beatrice sized catboxes/fragments that voyagers travel through to manipulate and ease their boredom.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...86256-Catbo.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...51598-umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...04172-drDe0.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...49749-S7CzA.png

Voyagers live in a world where concepts and fate can be visualized. They are somewhat in the middle of the ladder. They regard beings like Beatrice as mere fiction for them to play with. Voyagers at the end of the visual novel even state that they will travel to other fictions like Ghost in the shell.

Voyagers are Nothing to Creator/Featherine. Featherine is creator. She's at the last/top of the hierarchy completely free from infinity and all restrictions operating at the highest possible meta-narrative.

Featherine rules over the city of books. The city of books is above the sea of fragments/infinite void of kakera and beyond all layers. This realm holds endless fragments in the shape of books/umineko size creations. Each book is stated to not only be of the same length/size but even larger than Umineko's story (sea/voyagers/territory included)

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...27662-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...63439-63144.png

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...80929-Umine.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...52225-Umine.jpg

A voyager (lambdadelta) was destroying these endless fragments inside this realm. She proceeds to challenge Featherine and Featherine paused the verse and went "you lose to me and die" and won. What Featherine did to a voyager is like what would happen if a character tried to challenge it's author. Keep in mind, Lambdadelta is a fully aware meta fictional being and Featherine simply went "You die, i'll think about what killed you later"

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...38364-ftrrw.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...21470-ftrrw.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...43345-ftrrw.jpg


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Last edited by SSJGGogeta on Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:55 AM

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Sentry at full power stalemated World Breaker Hulk.


Sentry at the lowest of his power. He was agoraphobic and under a panic attack when he fought WWH....

Oh yes you didn't know that because you don't read comics and don't understand the characters....

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Featherine would stalemate HOTU Thanos-


Nope.

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and TOAA.


Nope.

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There is zero contest here. Featherine could quite literally erase every franchise within Marvel.


Nope.


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Sentry at full power stalemated World Breaker Hulk.

Featherine would stalemate HOTU Thanos- and TOAA.

There is zero contest here. Featherine could quite literally erase every franchise within Marvel.


As if HOTU Thanos and TOAA are equals...


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As if HOTU Thanos and TOAA are equals...


As close to equals as someone can get to TOAA. HOTU Thanos > IG Thanos, to the point where he absorbed the living Tribunal.

Featherine has shown feats vastly above even that.

Didn't mean to imply that HOTU Thanos and TOAA were equals though.


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As if HOTU Thanos and TOAA are equals...


TOAA is the supreme authority in Marvel. No character will ever have remotely a chance to beat him. \o/

Well, except Mickey Mouse. XD


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TOAA is the supreme authority in Marvel. No character will ever have remotely a chance to beat him. \o/

Well, except Mickey Mouse. XD


And Sentry, right?


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As close to equals as someone can get to TOAA. HOTU Thanos > IG Thanos, to the point where he absorbed the living Tribunal.

Featherine has shown feats vastly above even that.

Didn't mean to imply that HOTU Thanos and TOAA were equals though.


HOTU Thanos is fodder to Featherine, is what I was getting at. Pretty sure Featherine is only capable of stalemating TOAA by becoming one with The Creator, though.


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HOTU Thanos is fodder to Featherine, is what I was getting at. Pretty sure Featherine is only capable of stalemating TOAA by becoming one with The Creator, though.


Ah, okay.

But Featherine has basically touched TOAA, and has transcended infinity, to reach the levels of the Creator already. She is basically only limited by her mindset, meaning she is basically the Umineko equivalent of TOAA, if someone was able to become TOAA, or merge with him and grasp his power.

She's basically the only witch to ever experience the power of the Creator, and not lose her sense of self. Meaning she's theoretically the only being that could stalemate TOAA, or beings like him(God), without having to be the Creator herself.


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And Sentry, right?


Only TOAA, moron.

Sentry is stated as NEAR-OMNIPOTENT by Stan Lee in the first mini-series.

Guess what ?

Bendis confirmed it.


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Only TOAA, moron.

Sentry is stated as NEAR-OMNIPOTENT by Stan Lee in the first mini-series.

Guess what ?

Bendis confirmed it.


Even with your view and acceptance of a nigh omnipotent sentry, wouldn't that (even going by your terms) technically lead to a stalemate? Considering both beings are supposedly operating at the highest possible level explicitly stated to be free from all restrictions without being the literal author but as close to it and it's power?

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Even with your view and acceptance of a nigh omnipotent sentry, wouldn't that (even going by your terms) technically lead to a stalemate? Considering both beings are supposedly operating at the highest possible level explicitly stated to be free from all restrictions without being the literal author but as close to it and it's power?


I think that we can agree on that.

Stalemate or can go either ways.


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Only TOAA, moron.

Sentry is stated as NEAR-OMNIPOTENT by Stan Lee in the first mini-series.

Guess what ?

Bendis confirmed it.


Sentry. Lost. To. Thor.

He stalemated WWHulk.

He lost to Galactus.

He died at the end of Siege.

Sentry is not omnipotent, nor is he anywhere near it. Jerry Siegel has also referred to Superman as omnipotent, and Stan Lee also called Odin omnipotent.

Hyperbole =/= facts

Based on feats, Sentry is nowhere near Featherine, and would be fodderized even by witches like Lambdadelta, Bernkastel, and even Beatrice. All three of these are less significant to Featherine than amoeba's are to human beings.

Sentry is skyfather level. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Hilarious. laughing

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Sentry. Lost. To. Thor.


He never lost to Thor.

He shitstomped Thor in their last encounter.

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He stalemated WWHulk.


Sentry was ultra-weakened by his agoraphobia and he had a panic attack that made him lose control of his powers.

It is explained that Sentry's powers are linked to his mental state which is altered by his mental illnesses.

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He lost to Galactus.


He fought Galactus to a standstill.

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He died at the end of Siege.


Rofl, another thing where you fail to understand the context.

Bob was feeling guilty for what he did as the Void and forced Thor to "kill" him.

He provoked Thor and cut off his own powers for this to happen...

That's really complicated for you to get this, I see, even when Bendis himself clarified it.

You don't understand what you are talking about. That's sad.

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Sentry is not omnipotent, nor is he anywhere near it. Jerry Siegel has also referred to Superman as omnipotent, and Stan Lee also called Odin omnipotent.


There is multiple definitions for omnipotence.

Sentry has the kind of omnipotence of the Godlike-beings in Marvel, like Beyonder or Molecule Man.

Odin is a very very strong spellcaster whom belong to a very strong species.

Superman is a worm because DC standards in term of powers are very low.

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Hyperbole =/= facts


That's right and you don't know the facts. You are a bullshitter.

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Based on feats, Sentry is nowhere near Featherine, and would be fodderized even by witches like Lambdadelta, Bernkastel, and even Beatrice. All three of these are less significant to Featherine than amoeba's are to human beings.



Blah blah blah.

Based on feats, Sentry is a Godlike near-omnipotent character so this can go either ways.

Sentry's powers have no limits, that's said many times.

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Sentry is skyfather level. Nothing more, nothing less.


"Skyfather" is a title, all skyfathers aren't equal in power and they cannot do what Sentry did to Molecule Man.

Sentry is beyond Beyonder and Molecule Man. thumb up


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Lmao, when someone's only response is LITERALLY "blah blah blah", you know they're an idiot/wrong laughing


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Lmao, when someone's only response is LITERALLY "blah blah blah", you know they're an idiot/wrong laughing


Responding to you "blahblahblah" is so far above your IQ that's not even funny.

I'm glad to see that's the only thing you memorized from my post above.

You are hopeless... Brainless ! laughing

You can't counter a single thing in a discussion and you have always to bring insults like the shitposter that you are.

Stay salty. thumb up


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