Eh, Barry is the physical manifestation of it, or some bs. Regardless, going by feats and even statements, Wally is by far the fastest Flash. Tbh, he's literally the fastest character in all of fiction. His speed literally grants him nearly flawless control of time itself.
Of course, the particular version of Wally was taken away from the story after some time, and was basically used as a plot device for the remainder of his existence.
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The OBs = BR, and BR can travel ATTHESPEEDOFLIGHT... He just cannot *exceed* the speed of light:
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It's a little known fact that Death CAN'T travel faster than the speed of light... But Wally CAN."
So once more: for the Flashes to outrun BR/OBs(which, again, were traveling AT LIGHT SPEED), they had to EXCEED LIGHT SPEED in that final moment. Ergo "Have to reach SUPERLUMINAL VELOCITY!"
What's not computing here?
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What is not computing here, is how you're still talking about this pointless and frivolous argument about Wally going light speed, when I've already pointed out that it doesn't matter.
My original argument was that, even if they are equal to light speed, even Namek saga Frieza would see them in slow motion. I'm not talking about Wally, I'm talking about the OB's. Even at light speed, they have no hope of capturing Frieza, anymore than they do of capturing Wally.
That was the entire point of this debate, lmao.
Not to mention that the thread is Darkseid vs Golden Frieza, not BR vs Wally West.
OB's <= light speed, as I've already stated.
4th form Frieza on Namek >>>>>>>>>> light speed, as I can, and have proven in the past with multiple scans/statements/feats.
That's my point here. Enough getting off-topic about the specific wording here. Even if the OB's are every bit as fast as light speed, they aren't fast enough to catch Frieza, let alone Golden Frieza.
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It was never said that Black Racer can travel AT the speed of light - what was said was, he cant travel faster than the speed of light. This doesn't mean he can achieve light speed or anywhere close to it.
Jesus christ. I feel like I could write this in crayon and carver would still be clueless.
Again, if Flash had to EXCEED the speed of light to outrun BR/OBs in that final moment, it means they WERE traveling AT light speed... If BR/OBs weren't traveling AT light speed, then Flash wouldn't have had to run FASTER than light speed to outrun them.
Not a hard concept to grasp.
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If BR could not travel AT the speed of light, there would be NO NEED to travel FASTER.
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Had carver actually known the underlying context of that scan when he posted it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. But instead he used that scene to try and lowball Flash, without even having a clue what was *actually* happening.
Don't blame me for pointing out the facts... Blame carver for being ill-informed.
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Maybe he didn't answer because the question is irrelevant to the conversation he was having with Carter?
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Well not only are you posting incorrect information, whereas I was directly explaining a single scan(which was accurate), but you're also posting irrelevant arguments which have nothing to do with the topic whatsoever.
Get on topic, or stop spewing shit out of your keyboard.
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Don't get butthurt just because you were corrected for not knowing wtf was happening in a scene(and series) that you have clearly not even read.
You seem to get really angry when people counter your misinformation with the truth... Why is that? You'd be taken a lot more seriously if you could simply admit when you're wrong and move on... But instead you tend to throw temper tantrums and point the finger elsewhere.
Shame.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 11th, 2018 at 02:43 PM
It's hilarious that you can talk about not knowing what was going on in the scene, when you're the one who specifically went off-topic the moment it was mentioned. I don't give a shit about the "scene", what happened in that scan that Carver posted was Flash outrunning or at least keeping away from the OB's and BR before reaching superluminal velocity. You still haven't disproven that at all, lol. All I said was that the OB's MAX possible speed was light speed, possibly lower- and you jumped on me with no basis. Even assuming they, as well as BR, were 100% of light speed, that doesn't make my statement incorrect. You're the one who outright stated the Flash's were running faster than light in Carver's scan, when the Flash outright states that he "has to reach superluminal velocity". Stop deflecting dude. You were wrong, admit it- and move on.
Here's your own quote right here:
And here's the scan:
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Does this mean that the OB's were possibly light speed at top speed? Yes. Does this mean that Flash was moving faster than light speed? **** no, which is why he explicitly stated "REACH superluminal velocity". He wouldn't have to reach it, if he was already at it.
You were wrong. Get over it.
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First scan: "Death's on our heels, Barry! He's gaining on us! [...] Mustn't let him catch us! Not yet!"
Second scan: "Have to reach superluminal velocity!"
Third scan: "This is the story of how the Flashes OUTRAN Death, the Black Racer."
So as I have reiterated: in that final moment... I repeat: IN THAT FINAL MOMENT...the Flashes had to EXCEED the speed of light in order to "outrun" the Black Racer/Omega Beams and breach Darkseid's personal singularity. You see, I already knew this information because I have actually READ the pertinent issues several times... What a concept amiright!?
Fact is, you have clearly NOT read the source material for yourself, you clearly don't know wtf you're even talking about here, and you are clearly just too damn childish to admit when you're acting like a petulant moh-ron.
Just stop.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 11th, 2018 at 09:14 PM
Again, you stated that, in the scan Carver posted, Flash was moving FTL. You were wrong. It's hilarious that you're still posting other scans to try and make yourself right, when what you claimed was erroneous. Flash was not moving FTL in that scan. The most he was moving was lightspeed. In that case, he was moving just as fast as the OB's and BR, if not faster.
It's also ironic that you claim me to have not read the story, when you're literally ignoring the panel in question, and posting other scans to try and save face. You were wrong dude, lmao.
Flash was moving lightspeed or slower in the scan Carver posted. You claimed he was moving FTL in said scan. You were wrong, according to the Flash himself. I don't give a shit about the other scans, where he finally reaches FTL or where the story progresses to that point. The point is- you claimed he was moving FTL in Carver's scan, when he very clearly was not. You were wrong. That's all there is to it.
Tbh, there's nothing more to even say about this. Even you know that your claim was erroneous. You claimed Flash was moving FTL in the scan where he says he needs to reach FTL speed. This is obviously false, regardless of whether or not he reaches FTL speed later on in the story. That is totally irrelevant to this particular claim.
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