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Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No he didn't. That is clearly his outfit when he was a lantern his gauntlet suit had a lot more white

Hal didn't have kronas gauntlet until post darkseid war.
You caught a superman fan twisting scans and lying. That happens a lot here. I got me one lying too. Lol


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Re: Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

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Originally posted by panthergod
You argue that Superman is no more than Cap/Adam/Elite Class 100 level at full strength and his strength is no more dynamic than any other top tier.

Prove that laughable goofball piece of shit claim.

as of a couple years back the following writers have written this ability:
Byrne
Hudnall
Jurgens
Stern
Orway
Simonson
Carlin
Berganza
Loeb
Casey
DeMattheis
Schulz
Kelly
Rucka
Johns
Busiek
Robinson

Now add Pak for the Nu52 version, Tomasi for Rebirth, etc



Byrne had the most interesting take, linking his powers to a bio-aura, that can be extended to objects like buildings or people.

And when he lost his memories, he also lost his powers. You can't get more definitive a link to his state of mind and powers then that.


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Re: Re: Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

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Byrne had the most interesting take, linking his powers to a bio-aura, that can be extended to objects like buildings or people.

And when he lost his memories, he also lost his powers. You can't get more definitive a link to his state of mind and powers then that.
True enough on all counts.


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Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No he didn't. That is clearly his outfit when he was a lantern his gauntlet suit had a lot more white

Hal didn't have kronas gauntlet until post darkseid war.

He has the same costume here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FK3f_lcgV...Ic42/RCO024.jpg

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Byrne superman was one of the weakest supermen.


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It has never been stated that superman can increase his strength mentally. He can hold back his then go from that to using full strength ANY time he wants or needs to. ANY character can do that. Hell, I can do it. Now I got dynamic strength. Superman fighting those probes like a sissy and then getting trained to fight like a man is not now not will it ever be dynamic strength.

So in other words nothing can convince you right?


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You caught a superman fan twisting scans and lying. That happens a lot here. I got me one lying too. Lol
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He has the same costume here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FK3f_lcgV...Ic42/RCO024.jpg

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Was it now?


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Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury.


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Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury.
So superman knew his full strength right? Set in stone right? Lol. Superman holding back was going to get him killed meaning he wasn't equal to a being just as strong as him right? So superman had to use his full set in stone strength to fight back evenly right. He had to hit him with everything he had right, just like hitting DD and those probes right? Because fighting like a sissy would, I don't know... Rob him of victory like mongul said right??? In other words... Superman HIMSELF knows his strength is set in stone. Again dynamic strength my ass. Thanks for the scan. It really hurt supermans dynamic strength case. 👍


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So in other words nothing can convince you right?
Didn't the 4 horsemen say that Black Adam was more powerful than superman?


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So superman knew his full strength right? Set in stone right? Lol. Superman holding back was going to get him killed meaning he wasn't equal to a being just as strong as him right? So superman had to use his full set in stone strength to fight back evenly right. He had to hit him with everything he had right, just like hitting DD and those probes right? Because fighting like a sissy would, I don't know... Rob him of victory like mongul said right??? In other words... Superman HIMSELF knows his strength is set in stone. Again dynamic strength my ass. Thanks for the scan. It really hurt supermans dynamic strength case. 👍

That's like the most lulz worthy logic I've ever seen.

Also he shattered that Bizarro clone.

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So much for stone set strength eh? The previous punches did nothing to Bizarro.


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Didn't the 4 horsemen say that Black Adam was more powerful than superman?

No. And Black Adam was amped at that time.


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That's like the most lulz worthy logic I've ever seen.

Also he shattered that Bizarro clone.

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So much for stone set strength eh? The previous punches did nothing to Bizarro.
No one can be this dumb. Do you understand anything?


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JBL's trolling is very good thumb up


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JBL's trolling is very good thumb up
He's not trolling, just coming off the Tide Pods. laughing out loud


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Here is Superman stated to be more powerful than Shazam, Hal Jordan and the test of Justice League combined.



So no writer has shown him stronger than Captain Marvel or Black Adam, eh?


He drained Superman of his power over time. We are talking about a guy that absorbs energy from the sun which means that continuously draining a guy of his power over time that can get restored by the Ray's of the sun makes this ft irrelevant.


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Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury.


What does these scans prove? He said he pull his punches which every single hero does. He fought someone that he was capable of cutting loose against.


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Originally posted by panthergod
Let's begin:



Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
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Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
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Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
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Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

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Red Glass - establishing via precedent in 1991 that an unleashed and insane with power Superman's subconsciously supressed potential power was superior to Darkseid in direct combat, and could kill top tiers like GL Guy, J'Onn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm with EASE in 2-3 attacks:
http://s764.photobucket.com/user/pa...Out%20precedent


All of these scans are about him pulling his punches which again, every hero does this. Then, your first scan is about his bio force field and he doesn't even have that anymore. So any strength gain he got from that doesn't apply anymore since that has been taken away.


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Also, him beating Doomsday does not give HIM dynamic strength... this just tells us he had the power to beat Doomsday. A great example of this would be Hulk vs Abomination. Abomination has wrecked hulk before, even with his dynamic power, but that doesn't mean Abomination all of a sudden gain dynamic power. This applies to everyone who have defeated Hulk.


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