Palpatine's dark side accolades kind of go hand in hand with his military power.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
To be honest, Palpatine is always associated with Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lords. High chances it refers to him and the power of his Banite predecessors which would make sense in the given context.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
I appreciate you trying to save this trainwreck of a post that AP made, but what you're saying is literally baseless, and the context of the quotes points quite to the contrary.
"Were" like you actually sowed the seeds of doubt.
Here's a question, do you think all these quotes were just accidents meant to mean nothing? Was he just called the most powerful sith lord from multiple sources by accident and it actually meant nothing?
I don't think you can call other things pathetic. I had to read this thread and the title multiple times because your reasons didn't actually line up with debunking anything. The fact that you think you accomplished anything is sad.
"This is an in-universe source"
Ouch
That being said, you danced around the questions.
If you removed Sheev's quotes of superiority over all Sith, who are the multitudes of characters fighting for this position? Who would be above Sheev's feats and lesser statements? And what would you use to place them above him?
It's common knowledge among the Star Wars writers that Palpatine is the most successful Sith Lord in Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lords.
You know how many Banite Lords have been there? Quite many of them.
Basically, everything that takes place during the movies doesn't deviate from George Lucas' vision(those 1000 years)
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
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Not to give any credence to AP or Nadd, but we both know that quote isn't in the "endnotes" of the Book of the Sith. More like a blog the author made afterwards with no Lucas oversight.
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__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Why does it matter if it has Lucas insight or not? All it matters is if it got published in the lore.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
What is honestly wrong with you? What's your obsession with the Emperor's nuts? I daresay you must have ruined this character for others more than any other user. And just think about what an accomplishment that is!
And as for Sheev's accomplishments, he created a force storm which destroyed an entire fleet. Or how about that time he killed vader with lightning? Or when he drained the entire planet of Byss?
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Don't lecture me, Zentrex. I see through the lies of Sheev's accolades.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Funny thing about DE is that Palpatine was the most powerful known Sith before his death, and then Tom threw Ulic in there. And then later the Tales series.
Which means a rival of Exar was introduced to be beneath Sheev.
That's bullshit, lmao. It was said about Ulic's knowledge not comparing to Palpatine's. That's all. Ulic was not even a fully-fledged Sith Lord.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
And we were taught quite a bit about Ulic there. In fact Leia cut it short before she learned his fate. Which means that the holocron apparently knew his end, which would mean it knew him at his most powerful. Mind you this details him up to The Sith War, so that should be enough.
1. Greatest wielder of darkness is clearly from Vader's pov
2. I never said Ulic's dark side knowledge outstrips Palpatine's.
So what the heck?
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
It clearly isn't. We actually got what his point of view was when the words were put between quotation marks following that statement. It sure wasn't "The force is great, but did you know my cloaked father figure is also the greatest dark side wielder this side of Ulic Qel-Droma?"
It was the narration that said it, not Vader. Vader's point of view were his quotes, the rest was narration.
He was the greatest known darkside wielder. He became a dark side wielder and was below Sheev. It's not a complicated process. The intention is pretty clear there. His Jedi powers were nothing compared to what he became once the War started.
He was introduced to be below Sheev. Very simple. Twisting quotes doesn't change that... especially when Sheev's knowledge translated to power.
Once again Palpatine>Ulic's dark knowledge. So why are we arguing? Lmfao
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Sheev's hype was consistent and frequent in sources prior to introduction of Tenebrae in the lore and subsequent hype of his powers since 2012.
Tenebrae's hype had an impact over Sheev's hype-train with a noteworthy source inserting the word "maybe" in its hype of Sheev. Numerous authors were coming to terms with Tenebrae's hype but Legends-Canon split made further assessment irrelevant.
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