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ROTJ Luke Skywalker vs. Count Dooku
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Rebel95
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ROTJ Luke Skywalker vs. Count Dooku

Who wins?

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Dooku. Luke is better in sabers by a decent margin, but ROTJ Luke's Force abilities just don't match up to Dooku's at all.

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I highly doubt Luke can approach Dooku's 70+ years of skill with a saber in the time between ESB and RotJ.

Unless he pulls off some tier 9 rage-amp stuff he loses.


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I highly doubt Luke can approach Dooku's 70+ years of skill with a saber in the time between ESB and RotJ.

Unless he pulls off some tier 9 rage-amp stuff he loses.
I mean, Luke legitimately contended with and bested Vader in ROTJ, as per the novelization and script, same as ESB, to a lesser extent. If, by ROTJ, Luke was comparable to or equal to Vader, then he's better than Dooku.

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I love RotJ Luke, and feel like he's often underrated by people who attemp to write him off as inexperienced, or downplay his victory over Vader by attributing it soley to Vader holding back. That said, I don't picture Luke, Legends or Canon, beating Dooku. He just leaves too many opening that can be exploited (see his battle over the sarlacc pit), and he hasn't shown any real ability to counter Dooku's lightning beyond just trying to strengthen his Force shield.

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ROTJ Luke is specifically stated to be equal to ROTJ Vader in the Force and a better swordsman.

That being said, ROTS Dooku imo isn't below them. Same tier Id argue. Luke could win but so could Dooku.


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I love RotJ Luke, and feel like he's often underrated by people who attemp to write him off as inexperienced, or downplay his victory over Vader by attributing it soley to Vader holding back. That said, I don't picture Luke, Legends or Canon, beating Dooku. He just leaves too many opening that can be exploited (see his battle over the sarlacc pit), and he hasn't shown any real ability to counter Dooku's lightning beyond just trying to strengthen his Force shield.
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Originally posted by The Merchant
ROTJ Luke is specifically stated to be equal to ROTJ Vader in the Force and a better swordsman.

That being said, ROTS Dooku imo isn't below them. Same tier Id argue. Luke could win but so could Dooku.


I would love to know the source on that!

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Luke should win Sabers at least.

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going by canon Dooku wipes the floor with Luke; Luke barely survived a stiff moving Vader until he had his tantrum and although thats how Ani beat Tyranus Luke doesn't have a tenth of the onscreen skill that his father had

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going by canon Dooku wipes the floor with Luke; Luke barely survived a stiff moving Vader until he had his tantrum and although thats how Ani beat Tyranus Luke doesn't have a tenth of the onscreen skill that his father had



Barely? At no point did Vader have the edge in their ROTJ Saber fight.

Luke was >/= Vader in Sabers. Which is a level solidly above Rebels Ahsoka/Maul. So power scaling works for Luke IMO.

But if we add TK and Lightning then I cant say for sure. That might give the edge to Dooku in an all out.

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going by canon Dooku wipes the floor with Luke; Luke barely survived a stiff moving Vader until he had his tantrum and although thats how Ani beat Tyranus Luke doesn't have a tenth of the onscreen skill that his father had


If we are going by canon, Luke has a much greater chance against Dooku. Vader in the new Disney canon is showing to be more powerful than he was in legends.

The only reason why Vader is robotic and stiff is because rotj was made in 1983.... In new canon such as the Vader comics, Rogue One, and rebels - it's clearily no longer an issue.

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^ Yes and in the Ahsoka fight.

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If we are going by canon, Luke has a much greater chance against Dooku. Vader in the new Disney canon is showing to be more powerful than he was in legends.

The only reason why Vader is robotic and stiff is because rotj was made in 1983.... In new canon such as the Vader comics, Rogue One, and rebels - it's clearily no longer an issue.
Canon Vader doesn't seem to be any stronger than Legends Vader to me.

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Barely? At no point did Vader have the edge in their ROTJ Saber fight.

Luke was >/= Vader in Sabers. Which is a level solidly above Rebels Ahsoka/Maul. So power scaling works for Luke IMO.

But if we add TK and Lightning then I cant say for sure. That might give the edge to Dooku in an all out.


Vader was conflicted against Luke af.

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Wasn't it stated somewhere that Luke was blocking Sidious's lightning at first?

If he can block ROTJ Sidious's lightning, he can def. block Dookus. And much, much easier.


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Sidious wasn't trying to kill Luke.


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Per the novelization, Luke was able to Force-deflect Palpatine's initial salvo of FL of a very brief moment before he was overpowered by it:
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The Emperor's glee turned to a sullen rage. 'So be it, Jedi. If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed.' Palpatine raised his spidery arms toward Luke: blinding white bolts of energy coruscated from his fingers, shot across the room like sorcerous lightning, and tore through the boy's insides, looking for ground. The young Jedi was at once confounded and in agony -he'd never heard of such a power, such a corruption of the Force, let alone experienced it.

But if it was Force-generated, it could be Force-repelled. Luke raised his arms to deflect the bolts. Initially, he was successful the lightning rebounded from his touch, harmlessly into the walls. Soon, though, the shocks came with such speed and power, they coursed over and into him, and he could only shrink before them, convulsed with pain, his knees buckling, his powers at ebb.

-RotJ

But that salvo was only intended to injure/weaken/torture Luke -- it was not meant to kill him, nor was it Palpatine's most powerful/intense application of the ability.


Only the final(and most powerful) salvo of FL was truly meant to *kill* Luke, and it absolutely *would* have if Vader hadn't intervened:
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'Young fool!' Palpatine rasped at Luke. 'Only now at the end, do you understand. Your puerile skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid a price for your lack of vision. Now, young Skywalker, you will pay the price in full. You will die!'

He laughed maniacally; and although it would not have seemed possible to Luke, the outpouring of bolts from the Emperor's fingers actually increased in intensity. The sound screamed through the room, the murderous brightness of the flashes was overwhelming. Luke's body slowed, wilted, finally crumpled under the hideous barrage. He stopped moving altogether. At last, he appeared totally lifeless. The Emperor hissed maliciously.

-RotJ




That said, I certainly wouldn't say that Luke being able to deflect one of Palpatine's weaker salvos of FL for a scant moment equates to him being able to outright pwn Dooku's FL across the board... Certainly not long enough to matter, at least.


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canon luke wins, legends luke loses.

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Despite all the Vader praise, Canon hasn't really been that nice to Canon ROTJ Luke, tbh.


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