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Originally posted by Surtur
The point is the same, the solution to what ICE needs to do is different. Your topic is literally "what is up with ICE".

There is no "moving" the conversation. Period. It's asinine to suggest it's somehow off topic to discuss solutions.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It doesn't matter if it's off topic or not, I'm not obligated to provide you the info you want for a point, you want to make.

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[QUOTE=16577614]Originally posted by Surtur
Why do leftists consistently call illegal immigrants...immigrants?

Do I need to explain what words mean? You guys are always sure to name the race when a black guy is shot by a cop, so be specific and consistent or you won't be taken seriously, period.

They are *illegal* immigrants. Learn this.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Farm owner claims that Ice
-> Investigated private property without a warrant

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The probable cause requirement comes from the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be searched."

As seen in those words, in order for a court to issue a warrant -- for someone's arrest, or to search or seize property -- there must be "probable cause."

Police must also have probable cause to arrest without a warrant, and in many cases to search or seize property without a warrant.