This is one of the most insidious ways Trump is crippling the United States. With the stricter immigration policies and the perception, right or wrong, of a more xenophobic administration, a lot of highly skilled foreign workers and academics that otherwise would come to the US are now staying at home or going elsewhere. Many Trump supporters support this because they think saving a few thousand of those jobs for American workers in the short term is worth massive losses in America's overall economic / innovative abilities on both an absolute and relative level.
Granted, Trump has expressed his intentions to make immigration more meritocratic, but it's unclear if he will actually structure it in such a way that the net amount of high-skilled workers increases.
But who needs any of that when you're bringing coal back, amirite?
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Last edited by The Ellimist on Apr 27th, 2018 at 02:36 PM
Basically, use the intellect within the US instead of taking away the smart people from other countries (especially 3rd world countries that need it more)?
Why not both though? It's not like a US genius in chemistry is being denied a job because an Indian (Dot not Feather) genius in the same field is being flown in to work at DuPont, top research firms and companies will absorb them both. IIRC, we lack these top-end people overall. Do correct me if I'm wrong here.
As a country we need to look at our own education systems and ask ourselves why we apparently need to rely so much on smart people from other countries.
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Lemme tell you B.S intro-level jobs in Chemistry do not f*cking exist anymore. You either need to have a phD in the field or some kick-ass connections.
We get enough overqualified H1B1's to do the intro level jobs now, leaving Kurk quite irritated. Same thing is happening to Comp Sci.
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@Surtur: I mean, why not do both? It would be weird for a corporation to refuse to try to recruit people because it thinks it can just improve its in-house training programs. They're not mutually exclusive, but getting the pick of billions is going to give you better odds than relying only on your native population.
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Having ten high-quality software engineers + 90 manual laborers on welfare = net positive.
It's not enough for the process to be meritocratic, it also has to allow enough people in. Meritocratically choosing 100 people probably isn't better than sort of meritocratically choosing 1000 unless if those 100 are astronomically better than the 1000.
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A lot of foreign students in the US who would otherwise stay here are moving elsewhere. Regardless of the semantics over whether that and potential future immigrants not coming is technically a brain drain or a reverse brain drain, the outcome is the same.
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Ellimist has a good point, a lot of research done at Universities is done by foreign students, MIT and Caltech attract the most brilliant minds worldwide, like one of my own Universities Kings College, University of London. The research they do draws corporate funding and the patented work and papers which often belong to the University, and the funders lead to Industry making money, the University making money and often a nation, and sometimes several countries making money. Brexit will almost certainly have a similar effect on UK research (it already has) to Trump. The thing is in Europe the UK stands alone as a University powerhouse. So when the UK fails the foreign students may go to China, I see the Chinese doing well out of this.
But I think by definition, "brain drain" needs ppl to leave their native country to emigrate to another country due to better opportunities. At least that's what I know.
Wouldn't you need the job to be specifically suited to the individual for it to not be possible for another person to be able to do the job aside from said genius? I mean wouldn't there be quite a few suitably intelligent persons (less qualified, sure, but sufficiently qualified, tho) out there who compete over these top research positions?
I think the brain drain tends to be more due to the fact that ppl from less developed countries with sufficient qualification to do highly technical jobs tend to be cheaper (or have better work ethics and attitudes or willing to take higher risks) than the ones born in the first world. I don't think the brain drain is more in the top-top echelon intellects but moreso for the qualified upper percentile who are willing to do jobs that are essential (or very helpful) in their own countries but emigrate due to better opportunities elsewhere, particularly coming from the third worlds (a lot of medical professionals, engineers, architects, artists, software developers, etc. in my country tend to leave and go to the US due to the much higher wages there).
I mean, that's just coming from what's happening over here anyway.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Apr 27th, 2018 at 06:56 PM
I pretty much agree, with this post although I have seen "brain drain" applied to the loss of foreign academics post brexit vote in the UK, so I have no problem with Ellimists definition.