Yes, and Pandora can destroy and re-create the entire Multiverse with a mere shudder of her eye. And that is only one aspect of her. Agamotto has nothing on that.
My lineup doesn't include Tim. Pandora, Zauruel who erased Phantom Stranger from existence, Swamp Thing, deadman, etc...
You also have Nightmare Nurse, Zatanna, and Madame Xanadue who froze time throughout the entire MULTIVERSE. during that time, Multiverse was infinite universes .
Dr. Strange is far weaker than Agamotto and Strange can freeze time as well. Time may not work on these guys the way that it would on regular Earthly heroes. Odin can manipulate time. Just wanted to point that out.
PS got owned by etrigan, strange with eye of agamotto beat dormammu, same dormammu that stood in the heat of eternity with billions of big bangs detonating in his face. extremely better than standing in nexus where universes may not collide since it was never shown on panel of any universe even touching phantom stranger, strange with eye of agamotto beat death too.
A couple things in this thread id like to clarify:
- Pandora was nowhere near multiversal in her regular appearances. She was easily beaten by Faust, nimraa, Blight, and even vandal savage for christ's sake. He also stalemated her in another encounter. She has a few impressive feats but the multiversal feat is most definitely a separate version.
- Zatanna and co feat is very questionable because Zatanna was in a dimension where thought becomes reality and was amped a thousandfold in the world tree before she performed the feat. Regular Zatanna lost to the likes of blackbriar thorn and enchantress.
- Agamotto isn't multiversal and doesn't have any individual showings indicating he is. Not to mention that this version of Agamotto looks like a regular sorceror supreme and not the ascended version of Agamotto that is part of Vishanti.
- Phantom Stranger is not multiversal. He may have been at one time but since then he's acquired too many lows for him to be considered multiversal on average. Courtesy of having too many appearances. He's been defeated by a random demon, he even couldn't contain planet-destroying energies without cassandra's help, and xanadu saved him from a spell which Stranger himself couldn't prevent and several others which i could mention. He's still pretty powerful, above skyfather and hovering around Galactus level, but certainly not full blown multiversal.
I am glad the points you raised weren't against me lol. You know your stuff - I didn't catch all of these. Pandora's feat was shared, anyway, with Barry Allen.
Zack wasn't referring to the flashpoint feat btw, it was another instance -- Futures End: Pandora. Where she single-handedly re-created the entire multiverse.
On the other hand, deadman couldn't possess flash, constantine or the demons three. Xanadu too if im not mistaken. So Deadman possessing all of those powerful beings is questionable to say the least.
That aside, a severely depowered Agamotto was casually instantly posessing all the avengers at once. But like i said, im not sure that this ascended version of agamotto applies to the regular sorceror supreme agamotto.
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