to be fair thor absorbing the god bomb across all space time is still universal or even above. the scope is ridiclous considering it was past, present and future killing all gods
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I think you're confused about the timeline. Doomsday facing the JLA in DD Wars [1998-1999] came after Wally got rid of his mental blocks about Barry (all the way back in 93). During that same year of the crossover, Superman was confronting Dominus [who was abstract level above Kismet, DC's Eternity], hurting him and taking his attacks [since that's the examples you wanted, for one]. Nukes being threats to characters is more about the writer, than the character. Dan Jurgens keeps it low-level, generally [to the point that King Thor passed out from remaking the moon, for example], and he's had even post-OWAW Superman KOd by nukes. Even so, in H/P, the same writer had Superman take the force of 1,000,000 nukes in his fight with Doomsday.
Another thing to remember is that H/P Doomsday = DD Wars Doomsday = OWAW Doomsday. OWAW Doomsday was going through Imperiex Probes like butter, alongside all-out Superman. And we saw how the combined Justice League [and more] were doing against them.
So we have a guy who:
- nearly killed Darkseid [skyfather]
- shitstomped the whole Justice League [Wonder Woman, Orion, Martian Manhunter, Flash, Plastic Man etc.]
- went through ridiculous number of Imperiex Probes, for days, like paper. When Imperiex Probes were shitstomping the rest in much, much smaller numbers.
etc.
This...isn't even close.
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You can't believe the hype that's being brought up to pretend that HP DD was unstoppable. He may have been unstoppable to the characters facing him during Hunter Prey, but this does not somehow translate to being unstoppable to forces that he had yet to face. Don't believe the hype.
I'm thinking that the expectation is that Thor/Jane/Bill are supposed to fight like the rest of the JL without taking into account that they never ever need to get close to DD in order to burn the flesh off of him. DD has never once faced this kind of power, and thus he would have no defense against it.
Then we have people saying that Darkseid was a Sky Father, when he was a peer of Orion's in terms of power, which automatically launches Orion up into the Sky Father ranks without warrant, and since Superman can beat the shit out of either, it launches him even higher. What does that say about Wonder Woman recently doing better than Zeus against Darkseid if we choose to ignore context?
Bill cracking Galactus' armor was just that, cracking armor. He was also one shotting planets with the same wind ups and Galactus was hungry.
Same writer actually showed the clear difference between hungry Galactus and fed when he casually one shotted an armada that dropped him while he was hungry. Mind you he had a little more rumbly in his tumbly than normal, but still.
The way Fraction shit on Galactus is a lot more relevant and meaningful to Thor than putting a little crack in some armor.
If my name was Marcus, I'd use that instead.
Entropy works against DD, not because of the power level (i.e. the energy levels) but because of what it is (DD is being attacked by the literal end of all things).
Equating slamming two Mjolnirs together isn't quite the same. No doubt, 100% agree, it's powerful. But it doesn't mean it works because of it's power levels.