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Avengers or Infinity War?
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yeah but the nature of the movie is supposed to cross various marvel landscapes. not just story but tone and genre. I don't think its supposed to stand on its own, imo. why would it, with the nature of it? with that said, i think it worked well. GOTG segment felt like a guardian movie. strange segments felt like a dr strange movie. even the black panther segment was like a coming back home to wakanda (since i saw it only a month prior). but i think to try to unify a tone or style would compromise the nature of each individual film. it could have been waaaayyyy worse. it could have downright be messy, imo, but i thought the russo with input from the other directors meld the tone and feel of each respective characters well.

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Avengers is better written but the fun factor and action quality aren't really anything to write about, so it's less of an spectacle.

Technically IW is a more impressive movie, even if it has sloppy qualities to it. It stepped into terrains that have never been explored before in mainstream cinema and gave them more mass appeal. Ultimately, IW is carried by the rest of the MCU universe though but due to action and comedy is probably still watchable to some degree.

Bottomline: Both suck.


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Bottomline: Both suck.
Man, if you think Avengers 1 and 3 sucked I feel sorry for you. I came away from the theaters both times blown away. My friends and I had a great time. I feel sorry for anyone that can't enjoy great movies for what they are.

Both films are actually great (my opinion). They are highly rated and loved by the audiences AND made boatloads of money. They are objectively good (fact).

You might not like them, but you are a spec in the ocean of people that think otherwise.


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Avengers is better written but the fun factor and action quality aren't really anything to write about, so it's less of an spectacle.

Technically IW is a more impressive movie, even if it has sloppy qualities to it. It stepped into terrains that have never been explored before in mainstream cinema and gave them more mass appeal. Ultimately, IW is carried by the rest of the MCU universe though but due to action and comedy is probably still watchable to some degree.

Bottomline: Both suck.
And you love Godzilla films from japan so one really might question your definition of a quality film. Sorry you can’t enjoy the greatest film ever but you’re the guy who likes Kang too. Your preferences are suspect.


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According to an article putting on full display the self admitted limitations of Whedon compared with the Russo’s.

Somewhat stunningly, Joss Whedon previously said that he didn't want to work with Thanos much because he simply didn't know how to make him relatable. He called him "the overlord of villainy and darkness" and mostly seemed to be setting him up to appear in Avengers 3, but if he didn't know how to make him relatable, we should all be thankful that Whedon left after Age Of Ultron "broke" him.

I get that Avengers is the first film that proved or showed the world you can bring together so many different heroes in a collection against a super threat so it was ground breaking. Now you want to say well this wasn’t as ground breaking it just raised the stakes. That isn’t how we judge films. The first Star Wars blew everyone’s minds because no one had ever seen anything prior to but that doesn’t mean it’s qualkty is greater than the rest that followed.

Follow the same logic here as these two films stand its obvious which one is the better. Infinity War the film that the director of Svengers admitted he didn’t know how to even handle. He had obvious weaknesses as a director and didn’t even know how. Russo’s achieved what he felt unachievable personally. Better moments, better villain, more emotion, and balancing way more characters than in the first avengers. The case is clear Infinity War is the best MCU hands down and to me personally the greatest film of my entire life.


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The both films sucked line was just a joke, maybe I should've added a dancing banana to make it more clear.

I cited their flaws but it should be clear that these films have high entertaining value and are critically succesful because they are good beyond "being MCU crossovers".

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According to an article putting on full display the self admitted limitations of Whedon compared with the Russo’s.

Somewhat stunningly, Joss Whedon previously said that he didn't want to work with Thanos much because he simply didn't know how to make him relatable. He called him "the overlord of villainy and darkness" and mostly seemed to be setting him up to appear in Avengers 3, but if he didn't know how to make him relatable, we should all be thankful that Whedon left after Age Of Ultron "broke" him.

I get that Avengers is the first film that proved or showed the world you can bring together so many different heroes in a collection against a super threat so it was ground breaking. Now you want to say well this wasn’t as ground breaking it just raised the stakes. That isn’t how we judge films. The first Star Wars blew everyone’s minds because no one had ever seen anything prior to but that doesn’t mean it’s qualkty is greater than the rest that followed.

Follow the same logic here as these two films stand its obvious which one is the better. Infinity War the film that the director of Svengers admitted he didn’t know how to even handle. He had obvious weaknesses as a director and didn’t even know how. Russo’s achieved what he felt unachievable personally. Better moments, better villain, more emotion, and balancing way more characters than in the first avengers. The case is clear Infinity War is the best MCU hands down and to me personally the greatest film of my entire life.


There is a flaw in the logic of assuming that a superior director will always do a superior movie than an admittedly "inferior" one.


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The both films sucked line was just a joke, maybe I should've added a dancing banana to make it more clear.

I cited their flaws but it should be clear that these films have high entertaining value and are critically succesful because they are good beyond "being MCU crossovers".



There is a flaw in the logic of assuming that a superior director will always do a superior movie than an admittedly "inferior" one.
I am saying a man with so limited an imagination as to admit he wouldn’t even have a clue on how to approach their best villain is someone I personally wouldn’t trust. He was also burn out on Avengers 2. The guy did his best he just isn’t the Russo’s. Russo’s are the best in the business.


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I am saying a man with so limited an imagination as to admit he wouldn’t even have a clue on how to approach their best villain is someone I personally wouldn’t trust. He was also burn out on Avengers 2. The guy did his best he just isn’t the Russo’s. Russo’s are the best in the business.


Whedon had the imagination to film Avengers so we can judge him for the work he actually managed to do properly.

On average the Russos are writting better Avengers films (Civil War and Infinite War), I can agree with that, but Avengers 1 was Whedon's peak.


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Whedon had the imagination to film Avengers so we can judge him for the work he actually managed to do properly.

On average the Russos are writting better Avengers films (Civil War and Infinite War), I can agree with that, but Avengers 1 was Whedon's peak.
I agree. He also shit the bed with the sequel. The film broke him. I agree what he did with Avengers 1 was amazing but comparatively speaking against Infinity War it’s not even close. Best film and villain of all time. Whedon made his contributions and moved on. Marvel is in far better hands than the broken Whedon.


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I wouldn't call AoU shitting the bed. It was a good film that got good reviews from both critics and audiences. It also made 1.4+ billion at the box office. Sure, they hoped it would do what IW is doing now...but 1.4 billion is nothing to scoff at.

I like all the Avengers films but clearly Avengers 1 and IW are superior to AoU.


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Infinity War, easily. Not a contest.


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Avengers is Superman.

IW is Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, and Dione.

Avengers wins.


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I wouldn't call AoU shitting the bed. It was a good film that got good reviews from both critics and audiences. It also made 1.4+ billion at the box office. Sure, they hoped it would do what IW is doing now...but 1.4 billion is nothing to scoff at.

I like all the Avengers films but clearly Avengers 1 and IW are superior to AoU.
The quality took a major dip from the first. It isn’t bad by any means but the first film was great and the second one was only good. It also broke him as a director and burnt him out. Russo’s are clearly his superior but I’m very grateful for Avengers 1. You’re talking about overall success.


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Avengers is Superman.

IW is Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, and Dione.

Avengers wins.
Terrible analogy.


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Terrible analogy.


In Bizarro world.


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In Bizarro world.
Wouldn't know, I don't live there like you. How's the weather?


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Wouldn't know, I don't live there like you. How's the weather?
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Wouldn't know, I don't live there like you. How's the weather?


That's some good Bizarro speak you've got going on.

Of course, you couldn't possibly be as delusional as a certain someone named after a B list Mortal Kombat character, and think that the Avengers would last a picosecond against Superman.


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That's some good Bizarro speak you've got going on.

Of course, you couldn't possibly be as delusional as a certain someone named after a B list Mortal Kombat character, and think that the Avengers would last a picosecond against Superman.
Batman beat the guy.


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