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Jmanghan
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Darth Malak vs Exar Kun

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out


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Malak, assuming he's powered by the dark taint from the Jedi on the Star Forge.


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I have no clue why people assume amps as the norm when it comes to Malak.

Kun stomps


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I'd lean Malak.


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Kun.

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Kun, absolutely.


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Malak, assuming he's powered by the dark taint from the Jedi on the Star Forge.


There we go again.

What Malak did to those Jedi - was draining their life force to replenish his own. That's all.

There's no Force boost.


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Which Malak?


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Depends how powerful the SF amp is.


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I'd lean Malak.


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Depends how powerful the SF amp is.


We know that factually it is the Star Forge that gives Darth Malak "powers far greater than even Exar Kun." So without the Star Forge, Malak does not have "powers far greater than even Exar Kun." Therefore, even if he were more power powerful than Kun off the Star Forge, he is not "far" more powerful, and the two are canonically close in Force power. Then we factor in Kun's wider arrangement of different abilities, some of which Malak has no answer for, and his hilariously superior dueling skills, and we have ourselves a clear victory in Kun's favor regardless of whether Malak is more powerful or not.

Kun's amulet gauntlets are also external boosters that add onto his natural level, and since they're part of his standard arsenal that he carries on his person 24/7, not unlike a lightsaber, I don't see why we should disallow them. With them, he's undoubtedly more powerful than standard Malak, and nothing forbids him from being more powerful than Star Forge Malak either, since as I said, they're completely separate entities from Kun himself and not apart of his internal power; any quotes calling Star Forge Malak more powerful than Kun would not factor them in unless specified otherwise.

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Above we see that "With every pulse of his anger, the amulet doubles the power of its discharge" meaning that the longer Kun keeps firing, the more power he outputs. In a matter of seconds, Malak would have to deal with 2x Kun's power. A few seconds later, 4x Kun's power. Then 8x, 16x, etc. Unless someone seriously believes Malak even with the Star Forge is even over twice as strong as Kun, he's going to get overwhelmed within seconds. Standard Malak gets one-shot.


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Kun is outright more powerful, Malak's supposed supremacy is nothing more than a lack of context and apparent selective reading.


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We know that factually it is the Star Forge that gives Darth Malak "powers far greater than even Exar Kun." So without the Star Forge, Malak does not have "powers far greater than even Exar Kun." Therefore, even if he were more power powerful than Kun off the Star Forge, he is not "far" more powerful, and the two are canonically close in Force power. Then we factor in Kun's wider arrangement of different abilities, some of which Malak has no answer for, and his hilariously superior dueling skills, and we have ourselves a clear victory in Kun's favor regardless of whether Malak is more powerful or not.

Kun's amulet gauntlets are also external boosters that add onto his natural level, and since they're part of his standard arsenal that he carries on his person 24/7, not unlike a lightsaber, I don't see why we should disallow them. With them, he's undoubtedly more powerful than standard Malak, and nothing forbids him from being more powerful than Star Forge Malak either, since as I said, they're completely separate entities from Kun himself and not apart of his internal power; any quotes calling Star Forge Malak more powerful than Kun would not factor them in unless specified otherwise.

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Above we see that "With every pulse of his anger, the amulet doubles the power of its discharge" meaning that the longer Kun keeps firing, the more power he outputs. In a matter of seconds, Malak would have to deal with 2x Kun's power. A few seconds later, 4x Kun's power. Then 8x, 16x, etc. Unless someone seriously believes Malak even with the Star Forge is even over twice as strong as Kun, he's going to get overwhelmed within seconds. Standard Malak gets one-shot.


There is no reason to believe that Kun's amulets aren't part of the quote, since you yourself said that they are such an integral part of him as a lightsaber is to a Jedi. In that case, they are undoubtedly under the quote, since lightsabers are always a factor when deciding a Jedi's formidability and why they are so good, by a general theme in SW here.

And no, the quote says that Kun's anger "pulsing" is what causes the power to double and the "pulsing" referred to here, can mean two things here

-Pulsing as in a rhythmic sense like a sinusoidal wave

-Pulsing as in a general and immediate surge

I "highly" doubt that the intent of the word in this context is the former, and in either case, nobody's anger keeps rising and dipping like a heart pulse so it is discarded anyways.

Going by the second, and more likely case, Kun's anger increasing is what causes the surge in power and this makes sense too. Anger gives darksiders power and logically, more anger means more power. This also makes sense because you cannot just amplify power by maintaining the same input state here.

So, Kun's anger needs to keep increasing in order for the amulet to supply more power and it is highly unlikely that his anger will increase noticeably over the course of a duel.

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No; it says the amulet doubles the power.


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The description states that the angrier Kun becomes, the more potent the blasts do too. So, nowhere does it say that the gauntlet amulet gives him a Force boost.


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"The amulet doubles the power of its discharge!"


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Yes, like Nadd said it's making his blasts more potent.

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Not to agree with Nadd, but that's not what that line says. It's the amulet that is releasing the blast, not Kun's hand. The fact that the amulet's discharge doubles in response to Kun's rage spiking is a matter of course.


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It reads that it's the amulet that doubles the power of each blast, though.


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There is no reason to believe that Kun's amulets aren't part of the quote, since you yourself said that they are such an integral part of him as a lightsaber is to a Jedi. In that case, they are undoubtedly under the quote, since lightsabers are always a factor when deciding a Jedi's formidability and why they are so good, by a general theme in SW here.

And no, the quote says that Kun's anger "pulsing" is what causes the power to double and the "pulsing" referred to here, can mean two things here

-Pulsing as in a rhythmic sense like a sinusoidal wave

-Pulsing as in a general and immediate surge

I "highly" doubt that the intent of the word in this context is the former, and in either case, nobody's anger keeps rising and dipping like a heart pulse so it is discarded anyways.

Going by the second, and more likely case, Kun's anger increasing is what causes the surge in power and this makes sense too. Anger gives darksiders power and logically, more anger means more power. This also makes sense because you cannot just amplify power by maintaining the same input state here.

So, Kun's anger needs to keep increasing in order for the amulet to supply more power and it is highly unlikely that his anger will increase noticeably over the course of a duel.


Except that the power granted by the amulets isn't analogous to a Jedi and their lightsaber. The amulets are something he carries with him all the time but he can only focus his will through them "temporarily" as per the Tales of the Jedi Companion. As I said, they're amplifiers; not an integral part of the power he is capable of summonning at any time.

The text in the panel itself mentions that "With every pulse of his anger, the amulet doubles the power of its discharge," implying there's more than one "pulse," and even two would translate to a 4x increase in the blasts' potency. It's completely irrelevant whether his anger keeps rising a little or significantly when only a few pulses produce such a massively potent result, but the narration in the comic does make note of how "Exar Kun suddenly feels his anger multiply a thousand times... then a hundred thousand times" meaning quite a monumental increase overall.

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As far as I see, even Star Forge Malak would be obliterated in short order. He may start the fight more powerful than Kun, but the latter's power would literally multiply by 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. times with each "pulse" of anger he feels, and the amulets would cause what anger is already inside him to skyrocket by "a thousand times... then a hundred thousand times." It's a loop that feeds itself.


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