Prove that was the writer intended for Cavil Superman to have performed the feat.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Since h1 likes to point out his old computation of the Leviathan punch using nothing but his assumed values, I hereby present a corrected version using corrected values (using the calculation methodology he provided of F=MA) using timestamped evidence-based research instead of h1 biased-math.
As a comparison, here is h1's math and evidence-methodology (aka. practically none):
NOTE: I am not a physicist so anyone with a correction (except h1 since I don't trust you and you'll just lie, obfuscate or try to muddy the waters whenever you can), feel free to chime in.
I've edited the below quotes of mine to make them a bit more to-the-point rather than include parts where I was reminding h1 why I don't particularly trust his math. Also added further corrections, clarifications and updates to values on the post.
So breaking it down:
Assumption: Leviathan weighs in at 1000 tons. If you disagree with this weight multiple the below answer by the % you think the actual weight weighs in relation to the assumed weight.
Thus, a computation using extracted evidence-based values covered by time-stamps (see above for details):
Starting speed (0:59-1:00): 30m/s
Time (1:17-1:18): 1 second*
Ending speed (1:19-1:20, 1:22): 5m/s
*-this is a lowball value as punches tend to last a lot shorter than a second, so value below can go much higher depending on how long a punch would last. Someone feel free to provide me with punch-physics/data.
NOTE: Value can go down slightly (percentile) depending on how heavy the Leviathan is and how fast it was going. Value can go up greatly (multiplicative) based on the time a punch manages to transfer its energy and the physics behind it relative to the 1 second I used.
Last edited by Nibedicus on May 30th, 2018 at 02:51 AM
Also, last note (correction): Above value should be expressed in a negative (As in negative force meaning one that is acting in the direction opposite to what you decide to be the positive direction.).
Well, we know h1 used Ton-force over 10 seconds. Which is change in momentum with relation to time in tons. And if you multiply the value he presented over the time he provided (10 seconds) you'll get a similar answer (2k tons).
Essentially, (IMO) he deceptively used the 10 second divisor to try and lowball the "feat" hoping no one will notice.
I do feel the "stop distance" methodology would misrepresent what was happening here tho because the factors affecting the Leviathan's stoppage came in 2 instances:
>Initial sudden deceleration during the punch from 1:17-1:18.
>Slower deceleration due to gravity/friction from 1:19 onwards.
Essentially, the punch didn't fully stop the Leviathan on its own, it just greatly decelerated its speed.
Also, I would like to reiterate that a "punch" isn't slow application of energy over time/distance. It is a sudden burst of energy over a very short time. So we need to apply it at point of contact and nothing else.
Last edited by Nibedicus on May 30th, 2018 at 03:11 AM
There is a contradiction when using your speed estimate along with the time and distance we observe.
Thus we must rule one of them out.
Speed should be rule out because the speed at the time of impact is an assumption, whereas the time and distance of the stoppage is observed during the scene and can be measured.
Calculations
Time t= 10s, Distance d = 15-20m (NOT 8m), Initial Velocity Vo = Unknown, and Final Velocity Vf = 0 (although Hulk never completely stopped it)
We have the following system of equations
1) Vf = Vo + a*t.
2) d = Vo*t + 1/2a*t^2
I'll use the larger estimate of d since that gives the greatest acceleration and hence greatest force.
Plugging in the values gives
1) 0 = Vo + 10a
2) 20 = 10Vo + 50a
Solving 1) for Vo and substituting into 2) yields a = -0.4m/s^2
1000tons = 910000kg
So the average stopping force is F = 910000*(-0.4)N = 41 tons of force.
Minute 0:53 Hulk hits the Leviathan a bit infront the blue sign. Minute 0:57 Hulk stops moving right infront the white car and a bit behind the blue sign.
That is NOWHERE near 15 m!!!! PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR WORDS.
Provide the contradiction on my speed estimation with logic supported via timestamps.
Stopping distance is irrelevant. The punch did not fully stop the Leviathan and we do not calculate past the initial point of contact.
Time is not 10 seconds. This is not a constant application of force. This is a single application of energy within a sudden point of contact only. Do you have any idea what a punch is?
You are just trying to distribute the energy over a long period/distance so that you can diminish it. Obviously.
And btw, your distance is wrong. I have proven it via timestamps that it IS around 8m, nowhere near 15-20. My evidence is there while you just threw around assumptions. But it is irrelevant as we don’t use stopping distance as it has no bearing on this calculation.
It is interesting that you touted your original computation for pages and pages as gospel truth and now that I have disproven it, you try to move to another flawed computation in an attempt to fool people.
No one is fooled.
I challenge you to a BZ. Meet me there and prove the above numbers you presented as correct. Let’s find some judges who are unbiased and familiar with physics as I don’t wish to waste my time explaining to you for 20 pages why the above computation is wrong.
You win, I leave the forums for 6 months. You lose, You leave the forums for 6 months. These forums can do without your dishonesty for a while.
Wrong. The leviathan started somewhere at the red car in the previous scene. You see Hulk gets pushed by by about 3m before the next scene starts. Leviathan traveled about 3.5 car lengths. A small car is about 4.5m long.
Basically more than 1 car length in front of the pole and about 2 car lengths behind the pole.
Note : The larger the distance then the greater the force, since 10 seconds is fixed.
You can clearly see a car on flames. The distance from that car to the pole is 1 car distance MAX! Again, the pole was right behind the red car! 1 car MAX.
@nibedicus
I calculated the AVERAGE FORCE needed to stop the Leviathan in 10s over that distance.
A car is 4.5m in length. Hulk was pushed back about 3.5 car lengths. I can easily battelzone you on that.
But note:
The greater the distance then the greater the force needed. So a distance of 8m would produce a smaller force which would go against you. So we can use 8m if you like.
The initial punch did almost nothing in stopping the momentum. Hulk just knocked its head down to the ground. So that single application of force is not very impressive.
Quit weaseling. BZ me on your computation right now. Loser leaves 6 months. Come on.
Fine, I'll BZ you on the distance traveled as shown. No "off-screen travel" BS. The distance Hulk is shown is within below 2 or slightly above. Loser leaves 6 months. You said you could prove it so let's go.
Last edited by Nibedicus on May 30th, 2018 at 07:14 PM
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