They were evidently equals when we first saw them. Then Cumber went SSJ3, which should have definitely put him above Jiren at that point... But their fight was interrupted like a second later so it's impossible to say.
We also don't know how much power Jiren was using either. Certainly didn't seem like he was exerting himself much, but it's hard to tell with him. After all, there's no real visual difference between Jiren when he's completely suppressed and when he's using his full power -- he looks the exact same. It's only when he activates "TEH LIMIT-BREAKAH!!!" that his physical form actually changes noticeably and he gains a constant power-aura.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Mar 11th, 2019 at 10:45 PM
Actually not the manga, the video game. Jiren apparently takes on Merged Zamasu, Hearts, AND SSJ3 Cumber, and Hearts claims Jiren deserves the right to be called the strongest mortal.
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He may have been. As mentioned: it didn't seem like he was overly exerting himself.
I'm just saying that we don't know one way or the other, as there is literally no difference(from a visual standpoint) between a suppressed Jiren and a full power Jiren -- he looks the exact same until he goes full LB. That said, I'm sure Jiren's power-usage will be clarified later in the arc when he and Cumber inevitably fight again.
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I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Last edited by Galan007 on Mar 12th, 2019 at 03:16 PM
He powered up at least two times before going no limits though. So clearly he was not trying at all. Cumber didn’t even seem to phase him. He def phased Cumber even in SS3.
How is it even possible for Jiren to defeat MZ? It should be impossible (outside of sealing). And if they give MZ Black abilites to easily rise power further and further, what is Jiren going to do?, but even without, Jiren can't win this and in a long battle he dies against MZ.
Last edited by Inedian on Apr 19th, 2019 at 03:19 PM
Why isn't anyone Mafuba'ing Zamasu, and/or using the special sealing technique Whis spoke of? He is completely unbeatable otherwise...
And yeah, Meta-Cooler seems like a really strange asspull from Fu. Don't know how they'll justify him being as ridiculously powerful as I'm sure he'll be, but whatevs...
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I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Last edited by Galan007 on May 9th, 2019 at 02:56 PM
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