I think a problem with Cap is that he's not apparently willing to sacrifice people close to him for the sake of the greater good, and there may be times when that's necessary.
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I stated that I was using relentless1's standard, so why are you asking me to explain his reasoning? I can't read his mind, so you would be better served asking him.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Fair point. It is just hard for me quantify one feat more heroic than another. Wherher your a normal person who runs into a burning house to save a family or if your Thor and saving the world.
And it's entirely his fault he was unworthy in the first place.
Cap is clearly the far bigger inspiration, given the obstacles he had to overcome, the respect he commands, the unshakable values he holds..
Cap is more worthy then Odin, Thor, or Mjolnir. He's the MCU's Chuck Norris, John Wayne, and Statue of Liberty rolled into one.. An icon, symbol, and definition of heroism.
Put another way, Cap could lose all of his physical gifts, his costume, his shield, and he'd be no less the hero. Because he isn't defined by his abilities or garb. He's the one that defines all that, by his actions.
The fact Thor struggled so hard to get back the hammer is proof enough his hammer defines him, and not the other way around. Without Mjolnir or godhood, who is Thor?
Just some guy, you know?
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The same can be said of Thor against Hela and more recently against Thanos with the stones. Both went up against Thanos despite being outmatched.
Thor is vulnerable as a hero as well. He’s had his powers stripped and learned humility and at the same time mercy. He wanted to not kill the entire race of jotunheim. That isn’t just smiting your enemy it’s learning he was wrong, arrogant, and grew from his mistakes. There’s a real depth to Thor as a hero.
He’s also faced off against much more personal tragedy on screen. Parents death, best friend death, Asgard destroyed, sister is evil and had to bring about her destruction through Surtur, dealt with his step brothers death, and still had the resolve to fight on in pursuit of stormbreaker. Ultimately he’s the avenger that saves wakanda and the rest of the Avengers singlehandedly. Thor was on the brink of death to deliver them from evil. Thor has more faults and overcomes them than Cap so there’s more conflict within Thor. Still close but Thor hands down.
TLDR; more growth, more inner conflict, and just as much resolve as Cap while dealing with more tragedy imo.
You might not be wrong. I've thought this myself before.
I still take Thor. Cap was always the kind of guy who wanted to fight the bully. Thor had to learn that HE was the bully and change his ways. Throughout his entire arc he's had more character development. He's sacrificed himself more times than Cap as well. They're both fantastic heroes though so it's kinda like pulling hairs.
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The honest truth is that Cap never had to go through Thor's development and learn to not be the bully like Thor because he was pretty much the perfect hero from the start. Thor's development is just him coming closer and closer to reaching the ideal Cap set.
I just personally care for hero that faces more diversity and comes out better for it. I feel like Thor has overcome MUCH more than Cap. They've both been through shit for sure, but I'll take Thor in a very close race. Cap is the better leader though, for sure.
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Thor lost his powers, status and home, had to suck it up, learn humility and sacrifice himself before he gained it all back. In comparison, Cap took a serum.
Thor had to destroy the Bifrost, ruining his race's ability for insta-travel and ruining his chance to go back to the woman he loved just to save a race that he hated.
His mother was killed, his father was killed, his brother was killed, his bestfriend was killed, his weapon was destroyed, his hair was cut, his eye was taken out, his entire planet was destroyed and majority of his remaining people massacred... yet he continued fighting and didn't give in to despair.
How exactly has Cap conquered more obstacles than this? Cap is more heroic in other aspects, he has better leadership skills, he's more inspirational, he gives better speeches, etc.... but in terms of conquering more obstacles he has nothing against Thor. Cap really didn't have that much to lose in the first place. Thor had much more to lose and indeed lost them.
You can certainly prefer Thor as a character or hero to Cap, sure, but when objectively analyzing who I'd prefer to be the one responsible for the security of the world, disregarding the frankly massive difference in their power? Cap is the honest answer IMHO. He's incorruptible, which Thor provably isn't.
Well to be fair, cap's father, mother, and "brother" also died and he did watch the woman he love die, and still keep fighting. He willingly gave up his weapon to try to save what little comradery he and tiny had left. Had the country he loved turn it's back on him and call him a criminal. Cap had to earn his serum(the general wanted to give it to one of the brawny fighter types in his regime) which included sacrificing himself with the grenade.
Cap never had to save someone he hated because I don't think cap is capable of hating anyone. He was one of the first to accept wanda and pietro despite the mind shinaigans
Yes, they died. Thor's were murdered, several of them right in front of Thor. entirely different types of grief.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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May 28th, 2018 10:20 PM
Cap is the most heroic.
