There is a difference between killing someone and murdering them.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I'm not sure it's that different in Thors case. He claims "killing" but he trespassed into the Frost Giants world breaking a milenia long treaty. killed a bunch of them, and kickstarted a war. We have no way of knowing how many of those 3000 fit into the same category, but Thor prior to the first movie likely didn't care to differentiate.
Though I will note that he has has long grown beyond that as a character. I'm honestly not sure whether I'd hold past transgressions against him at this point, since he has grown into a more heroic character than he once was.
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The Frost Giants broke the treaty by invading Asgard when they tried to steal the casket of ancient Winters.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
"Tried" being the key word. Three no-names (it's not like it was Laufey himself) tried to steal the casket and died for their trouble. Even Odin stated it was the actions of a few, and he would leave the situation alone since the offending three payed with their lives. The failed actions of three no-names does not equate to the future King flying in with some of his warriors and slaughtering the Jotuns by the score, which BTW he did because he felt insulted by simple words. Their actions doesn't result in the breaking of the truce, unlike Thors. Thor was definitely in the wrong there.
Odin giving them a pass does not mean they did not in fact break the treaty. The movie actually makes it a point that Odin was wrong as Loki and the frost Giants were conspiring against Asgard. Their actions were not those of singular Frost giant acting on their own.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Except Thor had no way of knowing that at that time. He acted rashly with a lack of information which could have just as easily been wrong, and that is why he was banished in the first place. The fact that he ended up being somewhat right (Loki is of Asgard more than he is of Jotunheim, and he manufactured the entire ordeal) doesn't absolve him of his prior actions. That's just an "in hindsight" rationalization.
He may not have had all the details, but he was right about the frost Giants working against Asgard. He just acted rationally due to his own arrogance and manipulations from Loki. However Odin was also guilty of letting his arrogance get the best of him as he refused to even consider that the Invasion and attempted stealing of a weapon of mass destruction was more than just a few Frost Giants acting on their own.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Oh, I agree that Odin was definitely in the wrong there too. Thor went to one extreme, whereas Odin was at the complete opposite extreme. There's a middle ground in there somewhere. IMO it would have been smarter to investigate, ask questions, get answers, and then act. How did Jotuns get to Asgard? How did they gain entry to the vault? How did they even infiltrate the island without a single Asgardian noticing them? Ignoring all that is flat out stupid, but so is resorting to violence without answers.
Thor actually went to jotunheim to get answers, not to fight. Granted, once he arrived it didn't take much to manipulate him into fighting.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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