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CIS off Surfer vs HP Doomsday
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DarkSaint85
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Takes his soul thumb up

Doomsday was still sentient (he could say metropolis)


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Takes his soul thumb up

Doomsday was still sentient (he could say metropolis)


That does not mean DD has a Soul. It’s been alluded far more in the lack of soul than having one.
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Takes his soul thumb up

Doomsday was still sentient (he could say metropolis)

Whose soul did Surfer take? John Aman in an alternate reality which was changed by Dr Strange?


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I was thinking more of this time:

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That was because the beast was taking his power from Astral space. Doomsday doesn't.


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Isn't HP DD the one that broke Superman's arm, the Superman aided by a Mother Box?

To win, a CISless Surfer had best be using his powers as creatively as Superman uses his.


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But do you think he has a soul?

I see it as yes, he does. As he's sentient.

From the scan (abbreviated by me): pain is the link creatures have with life.

Life isn't just physical matter. It also as a spiritual side. Life is spirit.

And Surfer can shatter that spirit like glass.

It doesn't say in the scan that the only reason why he could do so was because it was drawing power from the astral plane. It only says that life has spirit, and it can be affected.


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But do you think he has a soul?

I see it as yes, he does. As he's sentient.

From the scan (abbreviated by me): pain is the link creatures have with life.

Life isn't just physical matter. It also as a spiritual side. Life is spirit.

And Surfer can shatter that spirit like glass.

It doesn't say in the scan that the only reason why he could do so was because it was drawing power from the astral plane. It only says that life has spirit, and it can be affected.


It’s proven DD has no soul. He’s just a walking mass of bones. He barely bleeds when cut.
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Oh it has been? Not to pull a Carver, but scans?


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Doomsday having no internal organs and being almost all bone = No soul.

Clayface is made out of mud but has no soul. Swamp Thing is literally flora and so is Man-Thing and they have souls etc.

Stupid argument.

Surfer can turn into snow and still operate (Defenders under M. Fraction). He can phase, cast illusions, teleport at times, and cover lightyears in moments. He has also shown the ability to multi-task to an impressive degree.

Doomsday would be fighting an intangible, incorporeal entity that can move around at light speed that can open a singularity in each of it's organs. Not much of a fight and more of a kid on a power trip.


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H/P Doomsday shitstomps without even trying, this is not fair.
The moment Doomsday tastes power cosmic, this happens:
https://imgur.com/a/2sF6M

DoS DD alone would beat the shit out of Surfer with no BFR.


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Oh it has been? Not to pull a Carver, but scans?


It’s been awhile, and I don’t have access to my DD aperance books.
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Doomsday having no internal organs and being almost all bone = No soul.

Clayface is made out of mud but has no soul. Swamp Thing is literally flora and so is Man-Thing and they have souls etc.

Stupid argument.

Surfer can turn into snow and still operate (Defenders under M. Fraction). He can phase, cast illusions, teleport at times, and cover lightyears in moments. He has also shown the ability to multi-task to an impressive degree.

Doomsday would be fighting an intangible, incorporeal entity that can move around at light speed that can open a singularity in each of it's organs. Not much of a fight and more of a kid on a power trip.

So it's fighting a discount GL? Not much of a fight then.


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More like a GL on a player one type scenario, like when Hal explained his counters to the JLA.

Anyways Surfer wins. It is what it is.


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Dont get why a GL was mentioned.


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The reason most characters fail to use their powers realistically--even remotely realistically--is not CIS. Rather, comic conventions and preferences are the reason.

We've seen people with absolutely no in-character stupidity or morals still fail to use their power sets to even a fraction of their 'realistic' potential. In fact, this is almost universally true.
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More like a GL on a player one type scenario, like when Hal explained his counters to the JLA.

Anyways Surfer wins. It is what it is.

Even a pre DOS Doomsday survived a guardian going for the kill.

Surfer beating Doomsday is as likely as him ever beating Thanos straight up. Just improbable.


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Powerset wise Surfer annihilates an unintelligent brute who can’t even fly.


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Surfer can't do anything to DD, so why are the Marvel fantards pretending they have a leg to stand on? The Radiant and Waverider are both Surfer analogues. Surfer can't even beat Hank Henshaw, but he has a chance against Doomsday..? yeah ok.
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Surfer can't do anything to DD, so why are the Marvel fantards pretending they have a leg to stand on? The Radiant and Waverider are both Surfer analogues. Surfer can't even beat Hank Henshaw, but he has a chance against Doomsday..? yeah ok.
Abc Logic. It’s so bad. Sorry but Surver is greater than Henshaw and Doomsday with his powerset alone. The guy can’t think or fly. He’s a strong casement and while he killed Superman that doesn’t prove he can match the Surfer.

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